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> Instead, you need to run off to a dying rust-best town in Ohio

Not Ohio, but most of my serious bo-ho hipster friends went to Pittsburg or Detroit. Aging and rust-belty, but with enough actual city to also satisfy.

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Problem is, isn't the rent in Detroit and Pittsburg actually pretty high? Esp given the downsides.

Is it? I thought there were opportunities in Detroit to buy a (terrible) house for almost nothing: https://patch.com/michigan/detroit/5-houses-you-can-pick-lit...

Not particularly, especially for the Hacker News set - Pittsburgh has one of the lowest cost of living to earnings ratios in the US for tech workers. Detroit doesn’t have as big of a tech scene, but the cost of living is lower than the national average.

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