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> The North Korean terrorists just basically walked in and took the White House. We were like, no way that could really happen. And here today, we literally saw it happen.

The total strength of government building security in DC is around 2 battaglions.

You think there is nobody who can bring 2000-3000 people to the rifle, and numerically overwhelm them? And it seems that not insubstantial numbers of DC security personnel did simply desert their posts.

Commando paratroopers with heavy weapons, and moreover armour will leave no chances for a regular army unit, let alone civilian police.

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I expect the security personnel to be trained and the mob to not be trained.

I expect (given the consequences of allowing them in and prior use of lethal force against demonstrations by Americans in America) the security personnel to be ready, willing, and able to use lethal force to keep armed protestors out, even if the doors were open.

I expect the doors to be strong enough to withstand anything short of an RPG.

I do not expect security personnel to desert their posts in their own capital city.

> I do not expect security personnel to desert their posts in their own capital city.

To me, it felt they were quite demoralised.

> I do not expect security personnel to desert their posts in their own capital city.

Surely that was out of concern for their own safety (to retreat can be a valid strategy) and / or not willing to open fire on US civilians in such a symbolic place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_Capitol_sho... ; I guess if there's just one civilian the symbolism of shooting them is fine.

I hadn't heard about that before. In fairness, she did hit several officers with her car, and was actively attempting to run one over when she was shot.

It's still a shame. I do wonder if there's something else they could have done. I don't know anything about how hard it is to stop a car.

I expect the security personnel to be trained and the mob to not be trained.

The latter assumption is a serious mistake. Sure, the mob is not as well trained as professionals, but when you consider the number of vets with some military experience, the fairly large numbers of militia organizations which provide amateur levels of training in both virtual and real contexts, and the high availability of training materials (military manuals etc), it's smart to assume that any given mob will contain some people who know what they're doing and are able to direct others.

If they would've used their military experience, they would've not came unarmed.

Not all of them did: https://twitter.com/keith_rosson/status/1346993989057093634

But DC has rather strict laws about firearms, so it was rational to rely on a swarming approach and then try to exploit the gains from that tactic. While the attempt to take over the capitol failed insofar as Congress reconvened to finish the process of counting electoral college votes, and many of the participants have been or are about to be arrested, the far right has scored an outstanding propaganda victory (complete with photogenic martyrs) at little real cost. I would say 2021 has got off to a spectacular start for them.

Cannot agree with you on firearms point, but more or less on everything else.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1347277542588...

If your aim is to stage a putsch for real, you wouldn't be bothered by some gun laws, you would've gone all in.

The thing is, you don't want to get shut down before you start. There were in fact a few arrests for firearms possession earlier that morning, before the rally near the White House had convened. Once attention had shifted to the Capitol, I imagine there was much less police surveillance on the surrounding streets (until the National Guard were eventually deployed).

But you make a good point; perhaps the plotters over-relied on shock value and ended up half-assing it, or perhaps there was no more plan other than stirring up disorder and hoping to capitalize on an emergency situation.

I'm pessimistic about the long-term implications; the far right gave up on the idea of a political solution some time ago and the less far right is now about ready to join them.

Your grammar is very strange. Where are you from?

From a place too terrible to name

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