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Hopefully one day we can get to where Visual Basic was in the 90's.

I keep vainly hoping for undo/redo, configurable keyboard shortcuts, cross-app files, app help, you know... the wins of the Windows 3.x 90s.

I'm honestly amazed some (especially undo!) were shrugged away so easily.

Can you elaborate? Undo/redo in what contexts? What applications had undo/redo besides for editing things?

Apparently iOS?

iOS has undo when you shake your phone. Or what kind of undo are you referring to?

There are also gestures for it now - undo is swipe left with 3 fingers and redo - same but to the right.

Is "editing things" (i.e. data) not central in the majority of apps?

Sure, but the text editor does have undo.

Text is important, but its datum is rarely independent. More undo is useful than the text in the current text control. Anything else requires (and rarely gets) more substantial command undo/redo. I'm not making a black&white point, I am honestly surprised it so easily became "non-essential without apology".

I'm asking for specifics because I actually can't think of any apps where "undo" would make sense, but is missing. I'm probably not creative enough. But that's why I asked for examples. These are the things I thought of:

Text editor? Those have undo.

Image editor? Also have undo.

Video Games? Depends. Should you be allowed to "undo" in a game of minesweeper? Probably not- it kind of ruins the game. Should you be allowed to "undo" in Chess? Probably not. Should you be allowed to undo in Solitaire? Maybe.

Chat client? What would you undo? Can't unsend a message.

Web Browsers have back buttons, to the extent that those can undo.

I could see file managers maybe having undo. I honestly don't know if the popular ones today do or not.

What apps are missing undo functionality for you?

I regret Delphi is a niche product now as it's quite powerful now, with native apps also for mobile platforms. Pity that the Community Edition doesn't support Linux.

Worth a mention that https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ is aiming to replace Delphi, and runs on Linux.

They also seem to support app development for Android: https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Portal:Android and iOS: https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Portal:iOS

Do native Delphi applications use native controls (when available)? Do they feel native, or are they their own thing? I'm thinking specifically of Java Swing applications that never felt native.

Delphi is definitely 100% native. I'm not sure about Free Pascal's Lazarus; it looks native when I've used it, but I'd need to break out Spy++ or WinObj or something to actually poke at what's going on.

The traditional, standard, component library was built around the native Win32 controls[1].

Some time ago they acquired a cross-platform component library, FireMonkey[2], which does not use native controls.

[1]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/controls/indi...

[2]: http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Sydney/en/FireMonke...

"Low code" on trend, many devs using Visual Studio (Code), we're nearly there.

Access too. Hypercard, and others as well.

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