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Good luck, iDevices are a very tiny portion of European mobile market.

Looking forward to the EpicOS Phone, running yet another SDL/Qt variant.

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If I were a mobile phone manufacturing company, I won't call 30% of European market a "tiny portion".

Especially considering that the iPhone is an enabler for all other Apple devices.

True, but it makes it irrelevant for Epic baby cries from law point of view.

31% in Europe, much more in some markets (54% in Sweden):

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/sweden

Which doesn't matter when talking about monopolies and such.

But does when somebody claims that "iDevices are a very tiny portion of European mobile market."

According to StatCounter it’s ~30% while it’s two times smaller than in the US (~60%) I wouldn’t say it’s “tiny”.

Not enough for "monopolies".

Neither the article nor any of the comments you reply to use the word you quote.

I know, Epic is trying to dodge its use in an vain attempt to actually have a case.

You seem to really know a lot about EU laws and regulations, where did you get your law degree?

The same place as everyone else thinking that Epic has a case.

Antitrust is wider than monopolies, so it totally makes sense that they are not talking about that, and weird to insist on the term. (and no, I don't think they have a particularly high chance of actually getting anywhere useful with this)

Even so, Apple has gotten far more whacks for violating EU law than anyone else in this space.

Not only that, winning a case against a company in EU over antitrust often bolsters your defense in the US due to courts preferring to hear about established case law by other courts with similar laws.

>Even so, Apple has gotten far more whacks for violating EU law than anyone else in this space.

What are you referring to here? Antitrust? If so, please provide some pointers. There're a lot of cases, not aware of many wins.

Note that I am not asserting that Apple has more than anyone else, that would require more research than this. What I have found in recent history is one major case from France:

Apple fined 1.23 Billion for Price-Fixing in France https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/16/apple-fined-record-1-23-b...

Apple also has 4 open Antitrust investigations (all opened on the same date and likely interrelated) going on in the EU (irrespective of actions that members may be taking):

https://ec.europa.eu/competition/elojade/isef/case_details.c...

So, to be clear, there's no successful antitrust prosecution of Apple under EU law, nor one that relates to iOS or the App Store.

On the other hand, there is a €4.34bn fine for Google for market abuses relating to bundling of Google services in Android, as well as a €2.4bn fine for favoring Google Shopping in its search product, and a €1.4bn fine for abusive practices in Google AdSense.

> Apple has gotten far more whacks…

[citation required]

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