??? Maybe you've missed the memo?
Acceleration? EVs win.
Cabin Noise? EVs win.
Maintenance? EVs win.
Cost of driving? EVs win.
ICE vehicles win in exactly 1 scenario: Being able to fuel up quickly on road trips greater than 300 miles.
??? Maybe you've missed the memo?
Acceleration? EVs win.
Cabin Noise? EVs win.
Maintenance? EVs win.
Cost of driving? EVs win.
ICE vehicles win in exactly 1 scenario: Being able to fuel up quickly on road trips greater than 300 miles.
Acceleration: depends, not all EVs are Teslas; additionally this is a moot point, because we're not comparing race cars, and you'd be blocked by traffic anyways most of the time. You also won't save any time from faster accelerating, because you'll lose a lot more for charging.
Cabin noise: only in city driving, on highway most of noise comes from road and wind; HEVs are almost as good in city driving, because of driven carefully they use ICE only while accelerating.
Cost of driving: debatable, depends on the world region and electricity prices; the cost of driving 100km is lower in a HEV or diesel than an EV charged from a public fast-charger, at least in many regions of Europe
If you drive short distances only and you do have a garage, then charging at home will work for you, but then you might not get high enough mileage to offset the initial price difference.
Additionally the deprecation is higher on EVs (probably due to concerns about the battery durability) so that would be also included in the lease.
Also correlation is not causation. Generally eastern countries of former Soviet Union are poorer than western ones. EVs are more expensive than traditional cars, so obviously fewer people can afford.
Another reason is politics. At least in Poland, there are no subsidies for EVs. EVs need to compete directly with ICE cars, but it is hard to do so when they are 30% more expensive. You need to really drive a lot to get back 30% in gasoline savings.
I'm curious, not trying to start an argument.
> Additionally the deprecation is higher on EVs (probably due to concerns about the battery durability) so that would be also included in the lease.
Teslas retain their value exceptionally well.
They are already cheaper for TCO, unless you add the artificial constraint that it is only charged at a “public fast-charger...in Europe.”
Biggest issue is cost of level 2 home chargers and apartment resident charging.
https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV_cost...
Teslas compete quite well in terms of features and performance with other cars in its price range. If you aren't looking for a high performance car with luxury affordances, then you are out of luck. But if you are shopping for a $40k+ car, the Teslas compete quite well.
Tesla has been rapidly stealing market share from BMW, Mercedes, and other luxury brands for the past few years. This is why over the past 3 years ICE manufacturers are suddenly taking EVs far more seriously. As Tesla has moved down-market, they've stolen share at every step.
With the Cybertruck and Tesla's coming $25k car coming down the pike, they are going to have cars in most every market in the US. And the Cybertruck is price and feature competitive with other 4 door trucks.
If the rumors that the US is going to restore subsidies for Tesla, then thing will turn quite lopsided against ICE vehicles quickly.
> Cabin noise: only in city driving, on highway most of noise comes from road and wind;
Luxury cars which are as expensive as the Tesla have done a tremendous job isolating the engine noises. But you are claiming ICE cars are quiet and "win by a large margin" on price, and in that category, things aren't even close. As soon as the grade gets over 5% or you need to pass, the 4 banger in that $30k Civic is making itself known.
> the cost of driving 100km is lower in a HEV or diesel
I love how EVs have to compete favorably against every aspect of every non EV. Diesels and HEVs are not much less expensive than EVs. Diesels are particularly loud.
EVs are obviously far more interesting when you can charge them at home at lower power rates. That said, here in the states anyhow, charging my Tesla from 0 to 100% at a Supercharger costs less than half what it costs to fill my Subaru for a similar amount of milage.
> Diesels and HEVs are not much less expensive than EVs.
Not yet, at least not in Europe. HEVs are very close to ICEVs now, particularly when comparing to a car with automatic transmission or a diesel. But EVs of the same make are typically 30%-50% more expensive, if not additionally donated by government programs or not getting any preferred taxation. That's why they got popular more in countries that offered big donations / tax discounts (e.g. Norway).
Example: 2021 Hyundai Ionic Hybrid costs $24k, but a fully electric version starts at $33k. That's over 30% more. I could buy gasoline for over 15 years of driving for that.
At the price points they are competing in, Tesla has a competitive price offering (particularly if you are looking for performance). But there is a huge price umbrella below the base M3.
I'm not sure other EVs can say the same. The Bolt is in this weird territory where it's well priced for an EV, but it's not particularly well priced otherwise. Likewise the Nissan Leaf. I haven't seen or dealt with the VW.
It is very shrewd of Tesla to stick to price points where they can compete effectively. Focusing on places where they can sell vehicles which are competitive on merits allows them to sell vehicles as quickly as they produce them.
Not content to believe him, Top Gear put it to the test. See for yourself:
https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tesla-model-3-vs-...
(Also, the Performance Model 3 had an over the air update to make it faster since this was filmed, and added track mode)
Regardless. It's still $20k more expensive than the Model 3 Performance it was against.
It is indeed tiny. People like to hear car engines rev at a car show or race track. Most of those same people don't want to have anything to do with those same sounds in their daily driver. Car manufacturers spend billions isolating the driver and the passengers from engine noises, vibrations, and in particular smells.