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> What in particular do they hate about twitch and what type of streamers are they? (top, emerging, casual, etc).

Everything and everyone. Seriously, even the people making literally millions on twitch hate the DMCA takedowns, the completely capricious bans, the ridiculous barrage of forced ads which twitch has straight up lied about, the fact that Amazon streamed anti-union ads on twitch and then pretended it was an accident, the fact that titty streamers get special priveleges...and that's what I thought of in just 30 seconds off the top of my head.

twitch is fucking awful because it's owned by Amazon. It was great before the acquisition and shortly thereafter.

I never said it was easy. I'm saying twitch fucking sucks and when somebody makes something that doesn't suck it will instantly be an 11 digit market cap company. Right now the most likely contender is Gamestop, even if I'd only put that at about a 1% chance of happening.

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> even the people making literally millions on twitch hate the DMCA takedowns, the completely capricious bans, the ridiculous barrage of forced ads which twitch has straight up lied about, the fact that Amazon streamed anti-union ads on twitch and then pretended it was an accident, the fact that titty streamers get special priveleges..

Why would GameStop not do these things? They wouldn't be immune to copyright problems. They'd surely need to implement automated ban systems. They'd surely need to advertise. They'd surely want to make money on "titty streamers".

I don't see how any of these are deal-breakers for the viewers and if the viewers are there, the streamers aren't going anywhere. The network effect is real - it doesn't matter how good your streaming platform is if no one is using it.

People are leaving twitch because it's so bad. Unfortunately I can't share that data with you, so I don't expect you to believe me.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree because we're not finding common ground here.

Where are they going?

Netflix? Books? Youtube?

They're giving up on streaming because they hate twitch that much.

You're talking about the streamers? As I mentioned, streaming is a tough business, it's going to have a lot of churn. In terms of viewership, there's publicly available data and it's not going down:

https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/over-27-9-billion-hour...

Yes, I am aware of the publicly available data. I'm saying that's wrong, but again I can't share my data so I don't expect you to believe me.

We're not going to agree. I'm exiting this thread.

What kind of data do you have? Do you work at one of these companies and know that the data is fudged? Do you run an analytics company? There could be some measurement errors or biases but it's virtually impossible that it's directionally incorrect when we're talking about 67% growth y/y.

It sounds like their data is "I've heard some people complaining".

But the market leader in any market always gets the most complaints.

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