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I am solemnly transitioning from neovim to JetBrains for this reason.

Feels weird to be on a subscription model for my fundamental text editing needs.

Life on the teat.

I have used vim and later Emacs + evil for years. Recently, I subscribed to the whole JetBrains suite. I had a license for IntelliJ 7-8 years ago when I needed to write Java for work. But these days it's hard to beat CLion, PyCharm et al. It's just so more productive, especially when you have to refactor code.

Magit is still the best git porcelain though ;).

I miss when vim was my full IDE. But on a large project, I could not it keep it from thrashing the system while indexing.

I'd plug Doom Emacs my friend, all the power of a full IDE with all the keybindings of Vim.

If you think Doom Emacs has all the power of a full IDE, you have no clue about IDEs.

Instead of being rude and snarky, maybe you could highlight some IDE-only features that you find compelling?

Have you tried setting up LSC on either vim or emacs? It does everything an IDE does, aside from a debugger. Compile time errors are highlighted as soon as you're done typing, and many other IDE-like features.

LSC is just a language server plugin, right? That's not even close to covering what an ide like Intellij does, eg static analysis, code coverage, profiling, etc.

LSP provides the bare minimum semantic support (navigation, completion, inline error annotations and basic refactoring support) to make emacs or vim worth of consideration for serious coding at all, and only because the inferior code understanding both have even with LSP is often more than compensated by other advantages such as being able to work in a terminal compelling plugins like magit for emacs, or, at least in the case of vim, general snappiness. I like and use all three, they all have their pros and cons, but saying that LSP (via LSC or one of the other myriad of lsp-support plugins) is about as true as saying that Jetbrains + Vim plugin lets you do everything you can do with VIM.

BTW: emacs does in fact have a debugger: GUD (with a bit of tweaking, it's bearable, too).

I'm an emacs fan. But when it comes to Java and big codebase (5+ developpers), JetBrain or Eclipse are just the way to go . They provide : code navigation and fast indexing (emacs LSP is just so slow), super integrated debugger, tons of predefined stuff to open common's file. They just more intelligence about your code packed in. With emacs it's all bare bones. So basically for me it's about big project == big IDE and everything else is emacs (which is a sizeable share !). Also, I'd say that Emacs makes my life much more pleasant too : the community, the license, the endless customization, the millions packages; that's part of my life too and the more "pro" IDE's just absolutely don't deliver on that side.

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