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You are assuming some has given them the authority to intervene.

The NHTSA has authority to mandate a manufacturer recall for safety, in this case to mandate that Tesla disable this broken software.

SEC can punish stock scams.

Ah yes, the “everything is securities fraud” loophole Matt Levine always talks about.

This, specifically, appears to fall into that category.

I’m not disagreeing. Here’s an example of the blog I was referencing. It’s interesting how the SEC acts like a catch all bucket of stopping “bad” behavior under this reading of the law. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...

Thank you.

Until someone does, the people posting these videos, and anyone found to be driving with FSD enabled should be fined and have points applied to their license for reckless driving.

That sounds premature. There have been zero fsd beta crashes so far according to Elon.

The beta is clearly designed to err on the side of caution. The majority of disengagement's are due to this behavior. You could actually argue that an overly cautious beta is safer than one which is 99% percent reliable because it keeps the driver from becoming complacent.

Until there are actual fsd beta accidents I say let them test their software, the upside of self driving for society is worth it.

Any non-AV driver seen doing even 1/4 of what FSD did in that video would have been pulled over and fined. Regardless of their personal driving history. When FSD does cause an accident, the driver who enabled it can also be charged with more severe offenses.

Do you drive in the city much? Many of the traffic rules that can be strongly enforced in rural and suburban areas cannot be followed in cities.

You frequently have to enter the other land, cross a yellow line, or turn into a different lane because of double parked cars or construction.

I’ve lived and driven in cities my entire life. If I was a police officer and saw any single event captured in that video I’d keep my eye on the vehicle. The vehicle in that video repeatedly followed up questionable activity with additional questionable activity. It was inexcusable reckless driving. As a human I have zero doubt that many combinations of events in that video would have resulted in my being pulled over and potentially fined. That the driver in the video wasn’t pulled over was simply luck that there were few (1 to my count) police in his proximity. But the video was publicly broadcast and the human is ultimately responsible for the activity of the vehicle they control. So that driver should be fined.

This is not behavior consistent with experienced driving, it’s the opposite. In cities you have to know when to follow the rules and when it’s safer to break them. At one point in the video the car stops behind double parked cars and doesn’t know enough to go around them. At another point it happily drives on the wrong side of the road, completely unaware of what it’s doing. All this behavior is incredibly dangerous and if I saw another driver doing that I would stay far away. With this many close calls I don’t believe that there have been no crashes or fender benders, no matter what Elon says.

If there really have been no crashes with this system on the road, it is a testemant to how safe the average human driver actually is. That doesn't say good things about the future of self-driving cars.

Well everyone worried that driver assistance functionality like this would make drivers complacent.

Perhaps this does the opposite, it's so unpredictable that drivers much pay more attention than they normally would and therefore they don't crash :D

The beta is way more aggresive than any other autonomous system I've seen. I'm not sure where you're getting the impression it errs on the side of caution.

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