> Every engineer I've ever talked to or read about going frameworkless says the same thing: we ended up rolling our own.
Reading their critiques of frameworks the only thing I could say at every point was "yeah, but not using a framework is even worse".
I think this is nothing more than the "I am very smart" sentiment. Well I'm not smarter than (large, respected) framework designers. Most developers aren't. And it's not just a matter of "learning" but a fact that neither I, nor most other developer will ever be. And why should we be - that's just reinventing the wheel, isn't it? We should focus on our own specific domain challenges.
And yes, it means doing things "the framework way". Because most of the time it IS the better way, even if I can't realize that yet (oh, but I will in a few months).