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Decline in Female Orgasms

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You can also add declining sperm quality and sperm count. No idea if they both have the same root cause.. First thing coming to mind is stress and bla bla. But i dont think it's the real cause. My gut says plastic..

> My gut says plastic

A sedentary lifestyle leads to a reduction of testosterone. Simple as that.

It very well might be a combination of both.

In the general population? Lifestyle seems to explain it sufficiently, when one takes account of the evidence.

what makes you think testosterone has an impact on the female orgasm?

Whether it's testosterone or something else, hormones impact the libido. And plastics are known to leach out endocrine disrupting chemicals.

My gut says modern lifestyle is detrimental to the existence of mankind.

Plastics and possibly endocrine disruptors in pesticides.

specifically, pthalates.

You would be partially correct.

We have a problem with our tap water whereas estrone, estradiol, estriol, and ethinylestradiol are forever chemicals that are not removed from the water. Hormone replacement therapy and contraceptives are >90% of the source of these.

If you don't filter the water you drink you are experiencing low grade intake of estrogens. This is what water filters are meant to remove and they do. Hence why we have such a huge 'water filter' industry.

It doesn't stop there and why you are partially correct. BPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A

The problem with BPA is that BPA is a xenoestrogen, exhibiting estrogen-mimicking, hormone-like properties.[6] Although the effect is very weak, the pervasiveness of BPA-containing materials raises concerns.

If you microwave plastic container holding food. You almost certainly have put a xenoestrogen into your food. Sure we have sort of banned BPA from baby bottles but we haven't done anything to the average person.

We are still going: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen

Soybeans, Flaxseeds, lentils, etc. All pretty high in isoflavones. Which act like estrogens. Many studies have proven that eating soy or similar foods while in menopause gives benefits in reducing problems. Because of 'conflicting studies' and therefore there's no conclusions and we just keep going forward.

When you put all of these sources of estrogen together. You are absolutely producing a hormone replacement therapy on tons of people.

when women get too much estrogens they become 'estrogen dominant' obviously. https://chapelhillgynecology.com/signs-of-estrogen-dominance...

You also get general problems of HRT symptoms in men.

> One challenge for future studies is to understand why women value their partner’s orgasms more than their own.

I do not find this surprising. Most of my friends and I also value the other person‘s orgasm over our own, regardless of gender.

Yeah, especially from a guy perspective its so easy to have your own orgasm that literally the only other thing you have to do in sex is care for the girl orgasm.

The real problem is that most people have too much ego to go read on the internet how to give good orgasms

Why "in Finland" has been removed from the title? As it stands, it suggests there is some global decline whereas no evidence has been presented for it - at least not in this article.

Mixture of biological and psychological reasons. Female orgasm is bounded to emotional perception by default. There is no only "mechanical" orgasm in women with deep satisfaction as a result. In modern times, the war between genders, the stress of public image and trend of conformism, the fear of missing out. Quality of food, air, water and sleep. Lack of regular physical activity. Chemical supplements and abuse of medicaments. But stay calm and love the corporations. Soon sexual needs and human reproduction will be augmented with pills and genetic engineering.

I haven't read the whole paper, but in looking for keywords and skimming through the determinants section, I don't see anywhere that the researchers have taken in to account the partner's gender. Most of the time, it's "partner" (gender indeterminate), but whenever it is mentioned, the gender is always male.

Has this paper acknowledged same-sex relationships, at all?

(Apologies for the sex/gender conflation)

I didn't read the whole paper to find if they have ruled out aging world population. But, I believe there is a decline in sexual desire in general, especially in young adults. There can be so much correlation in so many areas, the title is just too broad.

The title of the paper is "Determinants of female sexual orgasms" and it is a study done in Finland. I doubt you even clicked on the link before making a comment. I doubt literally anyone here is actually going to read it before making a comment, tbh.

It should have been called "Determinants of female sexual orgasms in Finland" then, and the same title should have been used here as well.

Why comment at all?

A relationship that felt good and worked well emotionally, and where sex was approached openly and appreciatively, promoted orgasms.

You mean that people need to be in the right mental state to really cut loose, enjoy themselves, and feel trusted around those they are the most intimate and vulnerable with?

the _hell_, you say.

related: The Book " Did women have better sex under socialism?"

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/12/12/18125659/women-sex...

I see this has been downvoted, I'm not sure why, does anyone have counter-evidence to the thesis here or something that debunks it? I'm far from being pro-socialism myself, but if the contents of the article are true, then it seems we could definitely glean useful information and principles from it. Just want more clarification on why it would be downvoted or additional information that would help substantiate the idea that social safety nets (and related principles) have a correlation to frequency of female orgasm?

From the article:

"And so there’s this way in which contemporary profits are supported by free labor that women provide in the home. And this free labor actually ends up trapping women in dependent relationships, largely with men, and that means, ultimately, that women get stuck because they have all these care responsibilities for which they are not paid. They are stuck in the home, generally financially dependent on a partner or spouse, and that unfortunately leads to people being in unhealthy or abusive or unhappy relationships."

I've lived in a few different Western countries, mostly very developed, and most of what I have seen is women working and men sharing many responsibilities. So this seems to me like a terrible starting point to build that thesis upon.

I don't think there's anything controversial in stating that on average women still do most of the work around the house, including with children, and earn less for their actual work hence easily becoming financially dependent on a partner. I read somewhere that when women started working more the average cost of life rose so the double income doesn't cover more than one did before, basically causing mothers to become more dependant on a partner than previously. This was in the US.

The article, despite being quite long, didn't provide any evidence for the thesis aside from a single survey of East/West Germany.

Perhaps the book itself has some actual data?

I have a knee jerk negative reaction to the title rather then the content. "couples who share housework or share child care responsibilities more equally tend to have more sex" - sure, that sounds great. Safety net in society helps in many ways too. They sure correlate with socialist environment. But "Did women have better sex under socialism?" is such a BuzzFeed title that I expect a silly listicle rather than serious research.

Apparently the Finnish were just getting started.

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