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How do you people leave out ESC - it saved my life at least once or twice and it’s obvious how well they work.

What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow. Take the gas pedal of and you’re going off roading. With normal car you’d struggle to even trigger ESC, let alone loose it.

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> What leaves me even more fumbled is how easily RWD Tesla’s spin out and crash with regen and snow.

Where did you get this info from? This is contrary from everything that I've heard from my local Tesla owners group. To the point that they don't even have to swap to snow tires during winter.

Some video examples:

[1] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203

[2] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=272

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSokMC3fncs

Have a look this guy videos - collected from crashed Teslas - https://mobile.twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1359639313424...

There’s more than one and obviously we don’t know the state of tyres, but even with bald ones seems any car with ESC should handle such manoeuvre...

My 2005 Honda has ESC (Honda calls it VSA-Vehicle Stability Assist) so it’s probably similar to ABS in these conversations: widely present and not a last 10-years’ addition. I think Toyota had it on all passenger models since 2004.

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