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Nature seems to have this interesting property of always increasing in perceived complexity.

Wouldn't that be amazing if the universe developed more and more characteristics as you look for them? Or even, that it's pushed to create something when you do?

Infinite playground.

Godel kind of proved that about Mathematics.

That sounds wild, do you have a link where I can read more about this, or is wikipedia fine to learn about it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompletenes...

TLDR: you can have a mathematics that always gives true answers (but that cannot answer everything). Or you can have a mathematics that can answer every possible question (but some answers are wrong, you do not know which). Choose.

This dispaired mathematicians of the early 20th century, who had hoped to create 'one mathematics to rule them all'. Of course you can have several disjunct mathematics, each one for the problem you like.

Oh, cool!

Axioms are the foundational assumptions from which formal systems of mathematics are built. Some systems of axioms are unable to prove the truth or falsity of some statements within that system. But you can add such statements to your set of axioms to form a new, larger formal system, which in turn has other indeterminate statements, and so on, thus building, in GP’s terms, an infinite playground of mathematics.

Book recommendation: Gödel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter.

If there was a single force in the beginning, there might be more forces branching out in the future of the universe, who knows.

We're evolutionarily optimized for understanding slow, macro-scale, somewhat low-energy things.

Of course we'll perceive things as complex when we move outside of that regime.

The less mysterious reformulation is that humans are better at finding less mysterious relationships.

Sometimes I think about this half-baked theory where physical laws don't exist until they are discovered. Once you catch physics with it's pants down it now must maintain those constraints or have it's bluff called.

sounds a lot like Sheldrake's theory of 'physical habits' - he describes it as things being quite random the first time and becoming more likely to follow the same patterns the more often they're followed.

Just my mind voice,

Knowledge - expands, Space exploration knowledge - expands, Sub atomic exploration - expands, (muon and we may even find its sub atomic particles as well) Space - expands, Number series - expands, Fibonacci - expands.

Be warned when something expands, it's a trap.

Science expands external knowledge and shrinks self-knowledge, Spirituality shrinks external-knowledge and expands self-knowledge.

Be warned when something expands. Be warned when something shrinks.

E=mc^2

where c is not just the speed of light, c is the speed of space expansion as well.

Mass expands to form energy (star)

Energy shrinks to form mass (black hole)

I wonder where's the limit to what our minds can comprehend. It's fascinating we went this far, since brain didn't evolve to study physics.

Maybe there aren't anything like "fundamental laws" and all are emergent patterns, like we are, and in other places in the Universe the "fundamental laws" are completely different. In that case, the hermetics had a point when they talked about infinite divisibility.

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