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I am sorry, but as much as I support BLM I wish Elijah McClain[0] was the person we talked about. He was never in prison (unlike George Floyd) and he played the violin to cats in a shelter. Mr. McClain died from a police restraining while after being injected with ketamine, and he was a friggin saint.

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53182122

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you're never going to get your "perfect case" to debate whether you want to empathize with a dead American or not

capital punishment has been abolished by the will of the people using their representatives in all of the states in question

extrajudicial capital punishment was never the will of the people, yet it slivers through the institution of the autonomous state concept with almost complete impunity

what you're wishing for is an absurdity

Denver/Aurora is very much talking about Elijah McClain still. The protests over his death last summer were impossible to not notice. The ongoing fallout in Aurora has rocked the city to it's core and many people have had careers ended over them (some may argue that it's not enough). Many local municipalities have made changes to laws and enforcement and the statehouse can be considered to be quite progressive, nationally speaking. The fallout from his death still is a large issue in local politics and the larger front range community.

https://www.denverpost.com/tag/elijah-mcclain/

There's a trend where only controversial things get attention; because if it's uncontroversial, everyone can agree, no one argues with each other. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage...

I'll need to re-read it at some point with a fresh perspective, but after reading it just now I'd love if this could be required reading for anyone engaging in political arguments on the Internet. It puts into words what I've been trying to find a way to convey for a long time: there probably isn't a conspiracy and "they" probably aren't evil - it's all just emergent behavior in a system simply following the rules of information spread and human attention (also capitalism). No idea what to do about it, but it helps to keep this in mind.

Thanks for the link!

New account coming in with the whataboutism.

Instead of trying to deflect and distract, what do you think about the Floyd case and this particular article?

Does having ketamine in your blood stream mean you deserve to die?

Police injected him with ketamine to sedate him and he died from that.

Not according to the prosecution.

This is just not true.

>Paramedics were called and injected McClain with ketamine, but they incorrectly estimated his weight, giving him more than 1½ times the dose he should have received. He got 500 milligrams because they thought he weighed 220 pounds, but he weighed only 140 pounds and should have received 315 milligrams.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-08-22/ketami...

It is a matter of record that they injected him with 50% more than he ought to have received. As for your claim. It's not merely that this isn't true it isn't so far as I can discover even claimed by the police.

It's not even clear what you mean by the words "the prosecution" he didn't get tried for anything whatsoever by dint of being already dead because they screwed up and provably killed him.

My bad. I thought op was talking about George Floyd.

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