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> but I have no bargaining power as an individual

What about "stop putting me on call without compensation or I will leave the company"

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> What about "stop putting me on call without compensation or I will leave the company"

Says the dude without kids and a mortgage who can afford a couple of months without a salary :)

Why does that matter? If you don't like your current job, start looking around until you have a new offer in hand. That new offer in hand is now your leverage ("bargaining power") if you really like your current company. Otherwise if they "call your bluff" you still have a job.

Living life by ultimatum is pretty lame.

End of the day, requiring such a high friction approach to addressing basic issues sets up incentives to take no action.

Lame living by someone else's ultimatum also. If you had a union you'd have to go on strike for shit you don't necessarily care about and you would have to wait for somebody to age out to get off of pager duty. It's outsourcing responsibility of your life to someone else.

In the timeless words of Bob Dylan, "gotta serve somebody"

Yeah, try that outside a 100 km radius from SV.

I did it and it worked well. All I really had to do was respond to the LinkedIn recruiter spam and take some vacation days for interviews.

This isn't 2010. Unless, you're some legendary-tier coder (and I have my doubts these actually exist or are useful in a corporate environment), the company will most likely call your bluff. There are loads of coders willing to take the job.

Don't make it a bluff then. Have an offer in hand before bargaining. If the company values you (and not every company treats its programmers like cogs) they will work with you. Otherwise if they refuse you still have a job.

> Don't make it a bluff then. Have an offer in hand before bargaining. If the company values you (and not every company treats its programmers like cogs) they will work with you. Otherwise if they refuse you still have a job.

So what you are describing is a situation in which there is zero long-term pressure for the company to improve or change their practices, because there is a never-ending source of people to replace the ones leaving, and as long as they're fine with the churn (spoiler: they are), they'll just chalk it up to the system working as intended.

I am not a fan of people that only apply for a job so they can use it as a bargaining chip at their work. Such a waste of energy for me

It's a bluff only if you don't mean it. If you are willing to fight for what's fair according to yourself, then it is one of the expected results.

What are you talking about? I'm a totally average programmer, hell, maybe below average for my age and experience level, and I literally walked on a job that wanted to make me do uncompensated on-call at the end of 2019 for one that compensates me to be on call.

It doesn't have to be a bluff, programmers are still in high demand.

And I'm not even in Silicon Valley, and I have no degree. C'mon!

You don't have to be "legendary" to have that kind of leverage.

If the software has any level of complexity, an org does not want to incur the cost of training a newly hired engineer and waiting 3-6 months while they get up to speed.

Are you sure the job market is softer now than in 2010?

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