How Sex Surrogates Are Helping Injured Israeli Soldiers

Incels, I think, have a chip on their shoulders and negative attitudes. If they had better perspectives, I think they would enjoy life more and connect with others in healthier ways.

It is true though that social media, glowing screen distractions, and changing beliefs based on corporate manufactured/reinforced attitudes to leave insecurities and unfulfilled wants tend to put distance between people in the real world. The challenge is to make the extra effort to break through all that. I've found there are plenty of cool people who still socialize, and not just at an ephemeral, chit-chat level. It's just no one else wants to make the effort, aeveryone is waiting for Godot, and so nothing happens without initiative.

>> Most of their problems seem to lie in feeling unwanted.

And exactly because of that they are the least attractive to potential mates. And instead of facing that they attack idea in itself. Their problems are initially psych related and there should be a cure to them if enough attention was paid to them clinically. Their forums are not part of the solution, they are creating it. The terrible negative advice and toxic evolutionary dogma, the idea that they are excluded from the genetic pool by genetically superiors, ascribing them epithets and making it all a game in which they are the anti-protagonists themselves cannot lead to a healthy psyche but I haven't heard of any orchestrated effort to help them out, there are only secret agents monitoring for potential violence outbreaks in these communities. They are instead embittered, self hating and fueled with resentment daily on these forums by the self proclaimed leaders of thought in these forums. They feel like they are rejected from both women and men. They feel out of place from this world and the only solace they find on forums. These people need to be paid some attention to, to be taken out on trips, healthy communities to be made for them since they are not capable of creating themselves but this is a societal ill in many ways.

Another thought that people might dv without considering it from an intellectual perspective: Dispensing with incel negativity.. OTOH, let's consider attractive people who are accosted by people who just want to have sex with them without knowing them. That seems to feel similarly lonely, yes?

I mean, I'm no one special at all, but it feels weird in such examples as: you were chased around the playground by groups of the opposite gender before you understood, girls on the elementary school bus flashed you below their waists, much later a woman ditches her friend for you in the middle of the street, a woman wants you to get with her girlfriends, a woman pulls over and stops her car in the middle of traffic to make a proposal, or someone just comes right up to you and starts grinding on your leg after talking for 30 seconds. How can someone find intimacy if they're always anxious about not being appreciated as a person?

Could be both. To oversimplify, It is legal to pay someone for sex in a film as an entertainer. Just not in private.

Other places have hour long marriages to get around the problem.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Prostitution is legal (or mostly legal) in many parts of the world. I would argue that most progressive leaning folks are in favour of a legal framework for sex workers. Sex work is work, whether it comes with a fancy word like "sex surrogate therapist" or a derogatory one like "hooker". The issue is controversial in many places, to some extent because of real issues of abuse/trafficking, but more so because of moralizing.

I would argue that all sex workers deserve respect, in front of judges or on HN, regardless of whether it's prostitution or surrogation.

As I put it in another comment, in many countries, introduce a camera and somehow what amounts to prostitution becomes magically legal.

Drugs are cool, but easily addictive / bad in excess.

I don't see how sex is bad in any amount unless it interferes with daily life or health.

>But inability to pay should not preclude you from seeking treatment.

That's the sticky bit if you think about it. Not all, but many women and men get into sex work due to lack of other options, with all that in context it would seem that there is a suggestion that you have a human right to sleep with disadvantaged women or men at government expense. If no disadvantaged people exist then I presume it would be the governments role to create them. This quickly descends into madness.

Incidentally, I was refused treatment by a doctor for a no exam required condition because of their magical religious beliefs discriminating against gender.

Doesn't the Declaration of Independence call out that governments are instituted to -secure- rights; specifically, 'the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? That sounds like a positive right to me, one very specifically saying governments are charged with upholding. And healthcare certainly seems like it falls under 'life', if not all three.

I find this attempt to distinguish between positive and negative rights unhelpful semantic rhetoric. Every positive right can be rephrased into a negative right, and vice versa. The first amendment's "Congress shall make no law..." equates to "You have the right to (speak, gather, etc) free from governmental censorship".

"The right to be safe from harm" itself sounds like a positive right; certainly, without enforcement to ensure it, such a statement is a lie and the right de facto does not exist.

Violence and human trafficking exist when their is puritanical prohibition, not independent contractors without pimps.

Prohibition never works and always creates more problems that it erroneously attempts to in "solving" moral panics getting in other people's business.

You're conflating fiction with reality.

Her comment was euphemistic hyperbole, not a literal recommendation to go Brave New World.

> Should we ban all things that harm people?

Who said anything about "banning"?

My objection is to this equivalence between sex and sex work and the dismissal of any moral values related to it.

> What's your answer to this?

The liberal in me will say "Decriminalization and harm-reduction", the conservative in me will add "as long as you always focus on reducing the activity and always look at these as problems that society should treat as something to eradicate (even if impossible)".

Legalization and this mentality of "people do it anyway, so let's just regulate it" only leads to a false feeling that the problem is not existent anymore, does not make the lives of those affected by the broken system any better, makes us complacent and leads to an even worse situation than the one we started with.

That's a sweeping, negative generalization and suggests women don't have a choice. There are millionaire prostitutes who are entrepreneurs. Some do it to pay for college and other expenses when service worker jobs pay nothing. Looking down on sex workers from a view of pity and paternalism is a problem.