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I'm not sure I could untrain all my muscle memory I've built up over the years with my TMUX configuration, but I truly believe in the next 10 years all of my current command line tools will be slowly replaced with rust equivalents (with the exception of neovim). ripgrep and fzf are already a large part of my workflow, and I love seeing WebAssembly becoming the universal plug and play standard.

> Build a web client to allow users to connect to a running Zellij daemon through the browser (on a local or remote server).

That's the future feature I'm most interested in over TMUX.

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> I'm not sure I could untrain all my muscle memory I've built up over the years with my TMUX configuration

You could quite easily configure Zellij's keybindings [0] to mirror your tmux config.

[0]: https://zellij.dev/documentation/keybindings.html

That's great! As soon as it supports detaching a running session I'll take a look at migrating.

You can use abduco for that part (but I’ll just keep using tmux).

Here's the tracking issue for that: https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij/issues/69

Looks like it'll be coming relatively soon (there's already a PR open, although it needs some refinement)

I believe you could. I can share the story from a bit different field. I was using a split keyboard with staggered layout and just built an Ergodox because wanted to try vertically staggered layout. Another differences are thumb clusters of keys on Ergodox and different firmware. So the layouts of both keyboards are very different and different customisations can be made.

The main thing which I was afraid of was the same as you've said - that I won't be able to change my muscle memory. Another thing - I won't be able to switch back the old keyboard (I expected to use it at the office) or even won't be able to use laptop keyboard anymore.

Surprisingly even after getting comfortable with Ergodox with totally different layout (different firmware is being used between keebs) I'm still able to jump between those easily. Maybe the first 5 mins are a bit harder but that is it. This surprises me what human brain is capable to do. Of course I still need to switch between keyboards regularly to not forget the layouts.

Not the same thing but we often are afraid of unknown.

> I'm not sure I could untrain all my muscle memory I've built up over the years with my TMUX configuration

I assume you can customize your keybindings so that they're mostly the same as your TMUX configuration.

But even if you couldn't, based on my own experience changing editors/OS/other tools, if you commit to it, retraining should take a couple weeks at most. It'll be super annoying for that couple weeks but it's really not all that ingrained.

I'm curious, why is in-browser use so appealing to you?

If you're already spending a lot of time in the browser looking at stuff (AWS Console, Stack Overflow, etc), I can see the convenience of just switching tabs to your terminal rather than pulling up a window.

So far I've solved that problem with keyboard shortcuts or other macros to pull up a terminal when I need it.

Conceptually, I don't think the solution to "switching windows is too hard" ought to be "make the terminal part of the browser". Although it does seem like perhaps the least immediately painful way to solve the problem.

Using Lynx in the terminal might be another way to do it.

Yeah, I tend to agree. But I know that there are some people who really, really, really like doing stuff in the browser.

I think getting the terminal into the browser is exactly the way this should be solved. Currently I'm in a browser for the vast part of my work, as are a huge lot of other people. Most of the web apps I need wouldn't even render in Lynx.

Why not have your software be universally accessible & online? What is the appeal in having software that is attached to a single system, single OS, & offline?

This seems like a very baroque alternative to tmux and ssh

Let's consider: I'm at my parents, or a friends house. I need to log in to do something. My options are:

A) download a terminal emulator + ssh application onto their computer & run that, flooding the screen with some unknown terminal application.

B) opening a web page & logging in to a Zellij or TermKit or whatever session.

Which do you think will seem more baroque to them? The web is an obvious, much improved way to do almost all software. It's online, universally accessible. A lot of stuck, old-fashioned-thinking in this thread. I'm a ssh + tmux (or more often ssh + dtach/vim) user myself, but it's clear to me this has serious disadvantages, that it's not nearly as accessible, as on tap as it could be.

Where do they mention in-browser use? WebAssembly is used for extensibility, but not necessarily for access from a browser.

Am I misreading their blog post?

It's at the very bottom of the page under "What's next?" really easy to miss.

Personally I have a TMUX session on a pi4 I keep up that just monitors various services and there's times I'd like to be able to open it not unlike a dashboard on my phone or tablet. Using a session via the web is not a big use case for me, or something I'd want to operate exclusively in, but it'd be nice to have.

FZF is written in Go though.

Check out tmate

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