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What a ridiculous conclusion you came to based on a single line from that page. The very next line says:

> We've made Cinder publicly available in order to facilitate conversation about potentially upstreaming some of this work to CPython and to reduce duplication of effort among people working on CPython performance.

> Our goal in making this code available is a unified faster CPython.

Facebook is a Python Software Foundation sponsor[1], and they sponsor every PyCon. I don't know why you got the idea that they don't contribute back.

https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

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Yeah but also... “If you want to upstream it, take it” it's not really something where ehi forked is working hard to send it back upstream patch by patch...

We've already upstreamed a lot of changes, including one that makes all coroutines faster in Python 3.10. The big-ticket items in Cinder would be big changes for CPython and need discussion about whether CPython even wants them. You don't just slap a C++ JIT into a bugs.python.org ticket. Opening Cinder is the first step in the conversation, and we're here for that work too. It's not just "if you want it, take it."

Ok great to hear that this is the case!

Reading the README was a bit unclear on this topic.

I also know that engineers do their best, while their employers may not always care about proper behavior when it comes to contribute back to FLOSS

The PSF has not really sponsored CPython so far, and PyCons are for self promotion.

Often in OSS foundations the entire sponsorship money goes to people who don't deserve it.

Please do not attach any meaning to corporate sponsorship of foundations unless you can point to a specific project.

99% of CPython has been written by individuals without any compensation who don't get any credit. When a corporation gives money to non-productive bureaucrats everyone thinks they are helping open source. It is very sad.

Agreed with your comment. There are public reports of PSF, 75% of expenses go to US PyCon.

https://www.python.org/psf/annual-report/2020/

> In 2019, PyCon US generated 63% of the PSF’s revenue.

Which makes it even more surprising where all that money goes. Hint: It is not CPython development.

63% of revenue and 75% of costs.

positive net revenue?

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