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Why are you so upset with somebody lying? In your words, liers are monsters.

I lie occasionally. Sometimes enjoy it too.

Civilization and society is based on a foundation of trust. Lies are a violation of that trust, and thus each is an attack, however small, on that foundation.

Did you not see the effect of lies on the pandemic or this most recent US election?

Was Biden's election based on lies? Do you have sources?

I think he was referring to Trump's re-election.

Edit: When somebody who proudly proclaims that "I lie occasionally. Sometimes enjoy it too." denies knowing about something so widely covered in the international news, believe them when they say they enjoy lying.

the-dude: You have google and wikipedia. Look it up. No more excuses for ignorance and whitewashes for liars and blame for believers.

I think this is over my head ( EU citizen who avoids most mainstream news ).

@Don : first, editting your comment is in no way the proper etiquette to discuss. Second, I looked it up, and apparently you are referring to this re-election campaign. Seriously, I didn't know about it.

Ignorance is bliss.

I'm referring to his campaign of Big Lies that he was re-elected in 2020, but Biden stole the election from him.

If you missed noticing that, you didn't look it up very well, and you're not being sincere.

There's really no point in taking seriously or continuing a discussion with somebody who brags he enjoys lying, and cultivates blissful ignorance.

If your blissful ignorance is really sincere, then you don't have much to contribute to the conversation.

I do know Trump contested the election results, but I couldn't parse that from your Trump's re-election. I guess it hasn't been magnified as much here in the EU as in the US, and I don't particular mind much of the mainstream media. For me, Biden won in November and Trump apparently had a hard time accepting it. Big deal.

Ignorance is bliss : practically, keeping up with the news doesn't really do much for anybody.

Lying because you enjoy it doesn't really do much for anybody either.

Im talking about deceivers who do it to take advantage of other people’s goodwill and kindness. They are cheaters who abuse the system, why would I give them a green pass? And this type of people Im taking about would not stop short from absolutely anything at all from reaching their goals, including turning against their families and best friends. If you don’t think these people are monsters then I don’t know what to tell you..

Ah well. Still no monsters IMHO.

Maybe they serve a purpose, just like people who speed a bit on the highway are beneficial to the traffic flow.

Ok, you don’t know what Im talking about then. Wait till you deal with one and you’re likely to change your opinion. They’re absolutely nothing like highway speeders or little lies tellers. They are monsters who instead of having scales, hooves and horns, have a very good image, which they care a lot about because that’s what enables them to find victims and enablers to prop them up

Where ever there is a liar, there is a believer. A believer is not blameless because he relies on trust.

I heard that story before and it’s nothing more than a self serving idea spread by cheaters to justify their acts. No, cheaters are not beneficial at all but to themselves. Kind people who are also a bit more trusty are holding the fabric of society together. Without trust we’d eat eachother alive (figuratively speaking).

And you know what? Im starting to suspect you may actually be a net negative to the society yourself and I’d be veeery wary dealing with someone like you

Lots of people who appear kind and helpful are mostly helping themselves.

Am I anywhere denying that cheaters don’t appear kind and helpful? But it’s just surface level shine, they leave a trail of destruction behind that is inimaginable to normal empathetic people. Kind, enpathetic and helpful people that you’ve known for a long time are a different thing entirely, and they too are doing it out of self interest and that is to build a network of trust. The logic is simple. If you help someone today, that help comes back to you one day. If everybody helps eachother it becomes a net benefit for all. Cheaters exploit this system and if I catch them and if it’s in my powers I will punish them harshly.

That's a sociopathic trait. There are people who are sociopathic or psychopathic and frequently use their lies to help themselves to positions if advantage at the expense of others. They don't feel that there is anything wrong with doing that.

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