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I don't think I want to compare them - I dislike them both! One is too basic and cryptic, the other one is overly complex for a shell, and in the end, I want to use neither.

I'm not sure what the ideal shell would look like though. Maybe an actual (simple and expressive) programming language with a way to 'lift' statements ?

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oh my bad then, and the quest for an ideal shell / text user interface is a nice one. between lispy repls, to notebooks .. I guess there's a better solution that is both concise and fun yet not brittle.

The situation gets worse every year with multitude new commanline utilities and scripts being created as part of new frameworks, languages and tools. And then everything gets mixed together to form some unstable, ever changing, inconsistent programming language.

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