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"I can't believe anyone would target us" says nation that is notorious for state-sponsored hacks and mass disinformation campaigns that are so large and widespread that they actually have a bureaucracy tasked with managing all of the various operations in motion at any one time.

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Are you talking about the US, Russia, China, or some other major country?

Yes. All three. Whining is fine, but a surprised pikachu face from either Russia or China when someone decides to turn the tables is more than I think anyone can put up with at this point.

Seriously. Everyone spies on everyone else and everyone feigns surprise when their spying is uncovered. That's how the game is played and it's always been that way.

What bureaucracy is that?

In the US I’m assuming the CIA? Not sure what group manages this in Russia. To be fair, gp could be applied to many countries also including China, Russia, the US and I assume the UK.

in russia, i believe it's GRU

IRA and a lot of the Russian APT groups have quite a bureaucratic system running the show once you actually start to do a bit of digging. Same for most western agencies as well, but that should be no surprise. I am not quite sure about the management of the various APT groups out of China; there is a bit of a reporting disconnect about the layer between the Ministry of State Security and the individual groups, but given how other groups/companies that are actually run by the PLA operate I am assuming a sizeable bureaucratic layer as well.

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