The Safety of Covid-19 Vaccinations – We Should Rethink the Policy
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In order for this data to be valid they would have had to take to separate groups in a neutral settings and follow them.
The conclusion is a great exaggeration!
* If the conclusion would have been true, then there would have been many more deaths. But in Israel they continued to vaccinate the people with 4.5 million more vaccination beyond the first million mentioned in the article, and the number of deaths dropped to zero!!! If the conclusion of the article was true then there would have been increase in the number of deaths after vaccination. But the result was the opposite (since mid-April the daily number of deaths was a single digit with large intervals of no deaths at all!).
If they had used some other way to define a vaccine-related death, it would make the vaccines look artificially good, because you'd be comparing it against something made to look more deadly than it really is.
There is an additional problem with your counter-argument: it is anticipated and is discussed in the paper, which appears to counter it:
"One might argue that it is always difficult to ascertain causality in such reports. This is certainly true; however, the Dutch data, especially the fatal cases, were certified by medical specialists"
They also discuss your second point:
"In the Israeli field study, the observation period was six weeks, and in the U.S. regulatory studies between four to six weeks, a period commonly assumed to be sufficient to see a clinical effect of a vaccine, because it would also be the time frame within which someone who was infected initially would fall ill and perhaps die. Had the observation period been longer, the clinical effect size might have increased, i.e., the NNTV could have become lower and, consequently, the ratio of benefit to harm could have increased in favor of the vaccines. However, as noted above, there is also the possibility of side effects developing with some delay and influencing the risk–benefit ratio in the opposite direction"
Some of the counter-arguments on Twitter seem to criticize the paper for being bad and then make other dubious arguments of their own (it's frustrating, nearly all COVID research is like this). For example "Health Nerd" states:
"10/n If you assume that everyone who stays alive will get infected without a vaccine eventually - which is a fact"
That is not in any way a "fact". That is a model assumption based on epidemiological theory that has not yet yielded any usefully accurate predictions. The theory is so weak you could have made exactly the same arguments on exactly the same grounds for SARS-1 or MERS-CoV or really any infectious disease at all, yet the world is full of infectious diseases and people who have never caught them. Additionally it ignores the way viruses seem to become less dangerous over time as they evolve to optimize for propagation rather than killing their host, meaning even the very nature of what people eventually may get infected with can be very different. This is already visible with the discussion of how the delta variant has milder symptoms than the original.
https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/14087620025127895...
https://twitter.com/ProfKatieEwer/status/1409125241142513670
1. Only virologists and "vaccinologists" may express opinions on the safety of vaccines. This is argument by authority and especially bad given the obvious conflicts of interest both groups have, along with the fact that many virologists were just exposed as engaging in a massive conspiracy and coverup re: lab leaks.
2. A complaint that classifying a post vaccine death as a vaccine-caused death is not OK. Where were these people when COVID deaths were defined as any death at all within 28 days of a positive test, regardless of comorbidities or age? Are they resigning in protest at that? No? If not, why not? Isn't this massive hypocrisy? And wouldn't they be concerned at the risk of inconsistent classification by doctors given the extreme emotions attached to the topic, as evidenced by their own response?
Real scientists would respond to a paper they thought was wrong with another paper explaining why it's wrong. These "scientists" are refusing to do so and demanding retraction on the basis that the paper is being referenced by "anti-vaxxers". In other words, the conclusion itself is considered sufficient grounds for retraction.
How can anyone believe the scientific world is on top of the vaccine safety topic when clearly un-scientific behavior like this is occurring?
Has treatment protocol and outcomes improved over the last year? How has lockdown, social distancing, and general behavioral changes in the population contributed to the numbers? Should we not look into the long-term and secondary effects of any widely distributed vaccine or medicine? Bad science happens, good science will prevail, and I suspect the real long-term issue is that the scientific process is being significantly damaged.
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