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After building 2 large projects with Livewire (using it just to sprinkle interactivity instead of going for Vue, not being a psycho and building an entire SPA with Livewire), I simply don’t like it. In most cases it would be quicker for me to use jQuery, and the response times would be quicker.

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Although Livewire allows you to do that, and shows counters in its examples, for such things that shouldn't require communication with the backend (e.g. saving, or grabbing data from the DB), you are rather meant to use something like Alpine or petite-vue for lightweight JS manipulation than to make use of Livewire's feature for it to waste a roundabout request to the backend.

If you are reaching for Alpine or petite-vue I would consider jquery. The reason why people moved on from it "heavy dom changes" = "slow", "too messy in heavy js pages" is the reason to use it here. Lightweight pages + jquery = fast development, quick to load/render and tidy looking code.

I think the initial marketing/examples for Phoenix Liveview and the like really did a disservice here; when you ask the team always says that the live part should really just be replacing what would have been xhr requests in an SPA - where you need server-side data or functionality. For local interactivity they recommend Alpine but too many people have already seen the counters example and drawn their own conclusions (and even built entire applications this way).

Try unpoly. It's great!

First time I heard of it from you, and I’ve been looking at it for the past day. I’ll definitely try a demo project to see if it fits my needs.

Try Blazor then. It's cutting edge and currently the best implementation possible: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blazor

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