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Going undercover to infiltrate Chinese-American far-right networks

bbc.co.uk

2 pointspmoriarty14 comments

A very interesting topic, but the article is like something written by a 5 year old.

Completely disagree. It reads pretty much like every other BBC article, and is actually more substantial than most.

What’s the most substantial thing you read in it?

Looks like typical scaremongering about all things Right to me. Also too much focus on Chinese-American as identity group, I fail to see how it is significant. Would these bad bad conservatives really reject the journalist based on just skin color?

Terrible bias in this article. Chinese-Americans can't be on the right side of the spectrum without being conspiracy theorists?

Maybe they don't like cozying up to the CCP like Democrats have been seemingly doing.

Many reasons to not be liberal, and being crazy isn't one of them.

"Infiltrate" and "go under cover" all you want, you're the only conspiracy theorist!

Maybe if you mix in Proud Boys, QAnon, and the "ok" sign even more you'll get more clicks.

I don't see any name dropping of Antifa or anyone that's actually killed anyone (CHAZ, BLM riots), strangely...

This article pretends like the virus wasn't most likely a lab leak. Saying "blaming China for the pandemic shifts focus from criticism of the Trump administration's response and plays into the increasingly negative public opinion of China."

Which gov let it out, which gov bought up PPE beforehand, which gov said it wasn't transmissible until late Jan, which gov shut down domestic flights to/from Wuhan but left international flights open? CCP.

> Many reasons to not be liberal

Well, BBC is much more left than liberal outlet these days, and liberal ≠ leftist. Despite of some similarities and the apparent alliance, there is a number of drastic differences in their views. Take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE

I know, I was speaking to the fact that they are right leaning.

The point to that sentence was to say there are reasons to not be left leaning (leftist or liberal) that don't involve conspiracies.

Yeah, that's just a common moderate-to-far left media cliche to form «a new normal» world picture where entire right part of spectrum declared fringe loonies. Because (in contrast to liberals) leftists doesn't allow the very existence of any alternate ideas.

For example, in Soviet Russia leftists even mass-executed a substantial number of left communists for being more left than Bolsheviks.

Putting to one side you don't like the article, do you disagree with the premise there is an unfortunate nexus between much chinese-american political activism and the far right?

I believe that Chinese-Americans have a reason to support the right's tough stance on China. Let's ask Eric Swalwell & Fang Fang.

I also believe most are just normal Americans that happen to also be conservative. It's a thing, doesn't have to be a big conspiracy.

I also don't view it as an "unfortunate nexus" as I don't view being on the right a bad thing.

I welcome anyone to be a conservative, including Chinese-Americans.

I do regard it as deeply unfortunate because it has fuelled oppositional politics between the US and China which is unhelpful in the medium-short term. And, because it aligns to views I disagree with like constraints on womens reproductive rights (I believe this is a fundamental human right) and views on religion which I dislike intensely. So I see a very unfortunate nexus of China-as-a-state political-hate, pentecostalism, anti-abortion views.

There are very few organized socialist chinese-americans in the press right now. So, this is pretty one-sided because I believe underneath the "race" side of things, a lot of people in the chinese community probably believe in what I call socialism here: Basic human rights, and social services. The US right wing is fighting to remove these, and remove basic human rights like abortion.

So yes. To me? this is very unfortunate. As to the conspiracy side, well, Q gotta Q. But I would worry there is a tendency to agglomerate into these cesspits of political lunacy, to leverage it for short-term gain.

You have to know that the right is a far spectrum.

As a libertarian conservative I support abortion, but not late-term abortion or post birth.

That and religion in general is mainly an evangelical right thing and is less popular within the party nowadays.

I do know that. So, if you are saying there are chinese-americans of right views, who are appalled by what happened to the GOP and are opposed to the surge of religiously motivated (in my view bad) policy, I welcome it.

I'm not seeing this reflected in things said in the non-US media (I'm in australia) and my experience here, is that incursions into specific language and culture groups to garner votes tends to be crude, and in the margins: it works best when it appeals to pretty simple messages, and they tend not to be centerist ones.

I disagree that there's a "surge of religiously motivated" as an insider within the party I see the religious social aspect is less prominent than the economic, foreign policy, and security issues.

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