This is an interesting piece of anecdata.[1]
Of course there is other anecdata for any and every other set of permutations, but mentioning all of that every time is a bit silly.
[1] Since anecdata is a neologism to begin with, I presume that attempting to insist on "anecdatum" is probably a lost cause. :-/
Sure, you can die of cold, and given technology at some level it becomes really too cold for reasonable habitability, but that is quite low in relation to what we see around the world. And even our far ancestors could already "avoid" cold by just making fire, shelters, putting on cloth. Today we have whole cities built in permafrost, enduring -40°C temperatures just fine.. with the right clothing put on you can even survive outside for a significant amount of time.
If it is getting too hot (imagine 5°C over wet bulb temperature or more) there is nothing we can do but shelter in with air condition and hope electricity keeps going (which also becomes a problem at certain temperature), no going outside anymore.
AC is only omnipresent in the US, very recent modern technology, but even in the richest countries in Europe most have none at home or even work.. (it is just normal). Sure we riches can buy one, but situation around the world is very different.
Ok clarified, I'm just being Captain Obvious here, and OP must be another form of climate change denial.
Large numbers of people really do, even today, die of both cold and heat. That's one of the dangers for for people who are homeless or too poor to pay to heat their homes properly. If temperatures change, the change in death rates should be measured using the overall change in death rates, not just the change in heat deaths. If that statement about measuring the overall impact of climate change on death rates using net change in death rates constitutes "climate change denial" for you, then a "form of climate change denial" is a form of religious heresy for you, and there's no point arguing mere statistical matters.
No, but how & how many people die to cold right now will be significantly different to how & how many people may die due to heat in the future due to climate change.
It is really just a strawman apples to oranges comparison to make here at all, because also:
And I'm further saying that climate change will likely also not change due to how many people die to cold right now.. where do you have this from? We get more persistant extremes both directions, right now!
> no point arguing mere statistical matters.
That's cheap... so no numbers or relative scale?
There's an entire continent, larger than Europe or Australia, that has zero permanent residents because it is too cold for reasonable habitability.
With more cold deaths currently than heat deaths, an increase in average temperature is more likely to reduce total deaths than increase them. If saving lives is your real goal, net lives saved/lost should be your yardstick, regardless of your opinion about the relative magnitude of heat deaths and cold deaths. But if your real agenda is something else then, sure, talking about increased heat deaths without ever mentioning reduced cold deaths might better serve your needs.
I disagree even to that. Any numbers for that statement, at least rough dimensions?
And, given world average rising a few more °C, and we get a similar extreme weather condition persisting for few days like described here, but where wet bulb goes not just close/slightly but significantly over 35°C, what will that numbers be in poor.. but heck, even in rich countries?
You cannot be serious..
(Adding: Btw.. after all what models tell and we already see, we are in general not getting rid of extreme colds as well, but even getting also more persisting ones of these.. )
I'm arguing that the scale matters, so please give me numbers, which you seem to know at least for the now?
It is surely not a 1-to-1 exchange right now, and not in the future.
So how many lives lost due to heat vs due to cold now?
And what are your predictions for the future (that as far as I get it deviate extremely from scientific consensus)?
> say homeless and poor people dying of the cold, is too trivial in your opinion to matter in public policy discussions?
Oh come one, now you are trolling me. I didn't say and mean that at all..
Cold weather 20 times deadlier than hot. Moderately high/low temperatures responsible for most of the deaths rather than extremes.