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Just because they vote red doesn't mean they're onboard with literally everything on that platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

People who's livelihood depends on the climate are generally going to have opinions about the climate that track the evidence and scientific consensus.

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This pretty much. Farmers don’t usually deny climate change but they also want their guns and independence.

I wouldn't assume farmers automatically vote red. In ND for example, which is typically red for the presidential race, we often have democrat representatives in congress. Farmers will vote on what policies affect their bottom line, and it isn't always one way or the other.

But climate change is the single most important issue of our time. Even if I disagreed with a candidate on everything else, I'd still vote for them if their opponent was denying the existence of climate change.

What is it going to take for people to realize how serious this is?

If an abstract threat with the primary impacts expected to appear in dozens of years, if not longer, is your primary concern, you have it pretty good.

Not everyone has it so good. The way to get people to think about the long term is to understand which short term concerns are blocking the path.

The reason is, you’re wrong, it’s not the most important issue. Because there are other more important issues. There are more important long term issues. There are even some more important environmental issues, in terms of harm and our ability to engage productively with them. And your opinion about what to do about climate change is surely a thoughtless, harmful, uncreative regurgitation.

When the short term immediate consequences of climate change are greater than the immediate benefits of combustion energy. So never. Look at the gilet jaunes protests. No one wants to lose their job or limit the GDP growth of their country to protect the environment for their great grandkids or great great grandkids.

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