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> Xcode is no longer there

It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising.

> App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet.

> Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.

Thanks for being the coalmine canary, I'll be waiting for next week as planned.

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> It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising.

No, but it was always included along with the install disks. No install disks this time and no X Code. It's worth mentioning.

I fail to see how it's worth mentioning. Xcode not being included in the Lion DMG is not surprising, it's "no shit": Xcode was never in the OSX image in the first place, why would Lion be any different?

The only difference is that 4.1 is not released yet, and thus not currently available. That's it. That it's not part of lion (let alone installed by default) is anything but surprising.

XCode was in fact always included with the OS X images.

No. Xcode was on a separate disk, never on OSX's. Again, Xcode was never a part of the base install or of the OSX image.

edit: wow, is that how low HN has sunk, voting down reality-based statements and voting up complete nonsense?

It helps when your "reality-based statements" are factually true.

"You may also be able to install Xcode 3.2 from your Mac OS X 10.6 DVD and then run Software Update to get the latest version."

http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.xcode.html

" There’s actually a third version—Xcode 2.0 shipped on the original Tiger installation DVDs back in April. "

http://www.macworld.com/article/46286/2005/08/installxcode.h...

etc. It's been on every OS X install disc I've used, which goes back to about 10.4.

Or maybe some of us are holding the single disc that came with our computers, from which we've installed both OSX and Xcode.

But no, we're probably just jerks, and out to get you.

It has been on the same disk since Tiger 10.4 was released on DVD.

Your statement is true for the CD installer sets that came with 2002's release of Jaguar 10.2 and the CD version of Panther 10.3.

Sounds like it may have been a while since your last update.

Iirc my MacBook Air (2010) came with Xcode installed on it. Could be wrong.

What is worth mentioning, if you had an earlier version of XCode installed, upgrade to Lion breaks it.

Wasn't that always the case as well? I don't remember but that seems likely since Apple always releases a new Xcode version synchronized with the main OS.

Can't say, I am recent OS X convert. Took me a second to figure out why all the stuff I installed with brew stopped working. Turned out git somehow got uninstalled/disabled, and brew relies on being able to find gcc in the path, and it was no longer there. Updated to newer XCode to get gcc back, and all is happy.

Just to note, i never bought the xcode 4 package from the app store. After I purchased snow leopard the price changed from $4.99 to free.

So while the base os install doesn't have it, it appears as though the naysayers were wrong about them charging for the dev tools. Although I have to go home and update to Lion to be able to download it, it won't let me snag it on my 10.6 system.

Just thought i'd throw that out into the wind so people don't think they need to have both bought. Though $5 is pretty miniscule imo.

I was told 4.1 is working fine.

As far as I know, 4.1 is still in GM, not released yet, you need a paid developer account to get the GM. In fact, not only is 4.1 not available, 4.0 is gone from MAS.

I forgot people really used it without the developer program. Good point for those users.

As an active developer with apps in the store etc, I don't like upgrading xcode until it's a final release. I've used GMs and betas too many times and then found out I can't submit code built from it.

It's really annoying, and I'm not about to test out the buggy xcodes or manage multiple installs. The current 4.x retail releases are buggy enough.

So if that's the way it's going to be I will also wait for everything to be released fully.

Oh I'm in the same place (well I'm a 3rd party developer supporting many shops like yours).

I've heard from one of the MailChimp guys 4.1 was submitting binaries just fine.

I call myself 'An Upgrade Coward'. I'm afraid of Xcode3 breaking even (a couple clients). Probably going to dupe my SSD into the Spinner so I have a working Xcode3 install no matter what.

You do know you can install multiple Xcode versions in parallel right?

It's available now: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id448457090

Thanks. Good news, one item off the checklist.

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