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I fail to see how it's worth mentioning. Xcode not being included in the Lion DMG is not surprising, it's "no shit": Xcode was never in the OSX image in the first place, why would Lion be any different?

The only difference is that 4.1 is not released yet, and thus not currently available. That's it. That it's not part of lion (let alone installed by default) is anything but surprising.

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What is worth mentioning, if you had an earlier version of XCode installed, upgrade to Lion breaks it.

Wasn't that always the case as well? I don't remember but that seems likely since Apple always releases a new Xcode version synchronized with the main OS.

Can't say, I am recent OS X convert. Took me a second to figure out why all the stuff I installed with brew stopped working. Turned out git somehow got uninstalled/disabled, and brew relies on being able to find gcc in the path, and it was no longer there. Updated to newer XCode to get gcc back, and all is happy.

XCode was in fact always included with the OS X images.

No. Xcode was on a separate disk, never on OSX's. Again, Xcode was never a part of the base install or of the OSX image.

edit: wow, is that how low HN has sunk, voting down reality-based statements and voting up complete nonsense?

It helps when your "reality-based statements" are factually true.

"You may also be able to install Xcode 3.2 from your Mac OS X 10.6 DVD and then run Software Update to get the latest version."

http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.xcode.html

" There’s actually a third version—Xcode 2.0 shipped on the original Tiger installation DVDs back in April. "

http://www.macworld.com/article/46286/2005/08/installxcode.h...

etc. It's been on every OS X install disc I've used, which goes back to about 10.4.

Or maybe some of us are holding the single disc that came with our computers, from which we've installed both OSX and Xcode.

But no, we're probably just jerks, and out to get you.

It has been on the same disk since Tiger 10.4 was released on DVD.

Your statement is true for the CD installer sets that came with 2002's release of Jaguar 10.2 and the CD version of Panther 10.3.

Sounds like it may have been a while since your last update.

Iirc my MacBook Air (2010) came with Xcode installed on it. Could be wrong.

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