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My old-man brain still can't compute this statement: "MySQL, an open source database developed by Oracle". I know this is now factually true, but late-90s me keeps looking over my shoulder and freaking out.

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I think MySQL Engineering team does great job with Engineering, Do not want to deal with Oracle Sales ? I would invite you to talk to Percona for Commercial Support and Services Options

Full disclosure - I'm CEO at Percona :)

Full disclosure - I'm CEO at Percona :)

oh hi. big fan of you all. xtrabackup and PMM are wonderful tools

Thank you!

I got sad when I read that TokuDB in Percona & MariaDB was being dropped :(

Replaced TokuDB with MyRocks but it's totally different => now finally managed to have good ~constant performance insert&deletes (had to test & tune a lot), but "updates" remain a problem (they write a lot as I understand that any update always has to rewrite the entire row).

Using InnoDb instead of MyRocks is NOK for me (problems with deletes and related hole punching + bad that tables can never shrink when stuff gets deleted), I don't see other alternatives... .

I'm now experimenting with other DBs (right now with CockroachDB but it doesn't seem to be very stable, might then try as well Postgres but I'm scared by the lack of SQL-hints to cover worst case scenarios).

You can enforce how to execute parts of your PostgreSQL with pg_hintplan. And it has more options than mysql‘s approach ;)

Thanks a lot!!! I really mean it!

This might change everything for me. I'm already using MariaDB+MyRocks and Clickhouse for some special/dedicated tasks, but I was really missing a good DB for normal/typical OLTP tasks.

So far I used (as mentioned above) MariaDb+TokuDB (but the optimizer of MariaDB can be a bit crazy from time to time), had multiple times during the past months thoughts about PostgreSQL but the lack of hints always made me take a step back from it => this addon seems to be exactly what I wished for.

Looks like that my weekend will be all about PG - the last time that I set it up its version number had a single digit => cannot remember anything anymore... .

Again, thanks for the hint :P

I just configured a new router and had to set up my dynamic DNS updating service on it.

Went to dyn.com and the goddamn website is gone, redirects to some corporate Oracle bullshit and PR, and I can't login to that Oracle crap with my dyn.com account and password.

In case any confused people googling for this stumble upon this comment you need to go to: account.dyn.com which they don't tell you on the Oracle page.

You can log in there with your former dyn.com credentials.

Not relevant to the original topic, but yeah. I'm still an individual, private user of dyn, and when oracle bought them, what they charge me jumped significantly. Moving to another provider is just low enough on my priority list that it has happened yet, but I'm not happy about it.

should read: "an open source database bought by Oracle".

And then further developed…

The hair on my neck still stands up when thinking about dealing with Oracle (and Sun) contracting, purchasing, and sales teams in the 90's.

I dealt with them in 2016. I assure you, not much has changed.

Don't forget IBM

Agree. I have used IBM web sphere in 2008. IBM, Oracle, Sun is a tribe.

I have managed to find myself accidentally twice at the receiving end of IBM "services". Conclusion was pretty much same both times:

Never. F###ing. Again.

Traditionally, part of what made it worth paying IBM prices was reliably top-notch service, but perhaps that changed over time. What were your experiences? And which decade?

What's it like working at IBM? I've seen it get good ratings online

This question is extremely hard to answer, because IBM has ~345k employees in 177 counties. It's anywhere from 0/10 to 10/10.

* -10/10 and 0/10

I can't read pass "developed by Oracle". It is factually not true. Unless there's so much code change after the acquisition that there's no single trace of the original open source version of MySQL left in there.

MySQL always was primarily developed by an commercial entity. And always gave an license out under GPL (i believe very first used some other license as GPL wasn't known back then ...) Oracle took over the development team (lots of pre-acquisition staff included) and legal rights to all of that.

(Disclaimer: I started at independent MySQL AB more than ten years ago and now wear an Oracle badge, after wearing Sun for a while)

Maybe it's legal talk that I don't understand, but the fact that Oracle owns the majority of the dev team today, doesn't mean Oracle developed MySQL. Because at the time MySQL was "developed", Oracle didn't own MySQL, nor did Oracle "own" the developers.

Oracle still develops and to a notable number the same people. Also Oracle steered 8.0 which was a big change to internals. Anyways won't argue about single words.

"Developed" is not used in the past tense here.

Think "Currently developed by Oracle".

Agreed. And in one sense (English is complicated) it's not true in its most obvious interpretation—that Oracle is the reason it exists. It was developed by others. Changing it to "currently being developed by Oracle." It's not that "developed by" can't mean "currently being developed by." It just isn't the most obvious meaning.

I had the same reaction! I was like, “technically, yes, but…”

I haven’t thought about MySQL proper in years, but it is interesting Facebook is moving to MySQL 8 rather than going to MariaDB, which as far as I know, had MyRocks built-in.

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