OK. It is far more likely to happen by the programs being executed by companies like Waymo and Cruise, who are deploying vehicles with far more sensors and compute capability than Tesla, operated by trained safety drivers. Waymo has already deployed cars logging Level 4, which are giving rides to people in Phoenix every day. Tesla, meanwhile, logged ZERO test miles at anything above Level 2 in 2020.

As I was driving home the other day, heading west down the highway, my Tesla Model 3 duly warned me that its front-facing cameras were blinded by the setting sun and temporarily non-functional. If the car had been operating in Autopilot, it would have disengaged and put me back in command. If it had been operating in Level 3 or higher autonomy, perhaps driving my kids home from school, I have no idea what would have happened. I do not believe Tesla will get to Level 4 or 5 autonomy with the current cars on the road, despite what Elon has promised.

>explain how we will ever get to L5 self driving without the equivalent TSLA's FSD program

Is it too hopeful to think that it won't take a lot of human blood sacrifice to get there?

Is it cynical for me to think that if it does require human blood, then maybe I don't want to go down that research path -- and at best I don't want to be in the testing group?

It isnt a given that we will ever get to l5 self driving, or that it is possible without a comprehensive infrastructure overhaul

Well, there's always Waymo's FSD program.