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I think you've confused the talking points.

I've heard the saying that fetuses aren't conscious, but I've never heard anyone, however fringe, say fetuses aren't alive.

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Maybe so, though this too seems like a strange belief, and touches on the reason I find surprise at such things odd: it's been known for years that fetuses at late stages have cycles of REM sleep and apparent wakefulness.

Isn't that part of rationale for roe v wade 3rd trimester rule already?

I've never heard someone say farm animals can't feel pain.

I suppose you'll also claim you've never met a "vegetarian" who thinks "fish don't count."

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