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The answer to the literal question is simple. Other people use your name, not you, so the name belongs to other people. Render unto Caesar, etc.

Your name refers to, not your identity (whatever that is), but the idea of you in the heads of other people.

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I feel like your answer not only ignores the entire premise of the article but also throws fuel on the power differential fire discussed within.

He’s providing the unavoidable answer that the author feels is unfair - your reputation doesn’t belong to you, it belongs to everyone else.

She believes it’s unfair because powerful people are able shape hers. I suppose the alternative is to have our reputation determined by unbiased Facebook factcheckers.

So are you against all defamation lawsuits? This is more or less just an extension of that train of thought: people deserve to not have their reputation ruined unfairly by powerful structures. There's a big difference between gossip of people you know and a Hollywood movie.

This movie isn’t defamation. It doesn’t paint her as a murderer.

It paints her as dreaming of murdering her and asking a friend to "take care of her"

By that logic trademarks should not exist

Trademarks exist to protect against consumer confusion (intentional or not), nothing else.

In this case, the name of a person is used to refer to the events which happened to that person and the related media circus. Is this confusing to anybody? No.

The name of this person is being used to refer to a fictional story. The events as depicted did not occur. It's absolutely confusing.

Additionally, trademarked names are made up by the trademark owner (or by people they pay). Your name is made up by your parents/guardians, and you generally have no say in it.

Your default name is the one you get from your parents, but there are all sorts of personal or professional reasons to change it, and it used to be standard for women to change their names at least once in a lifetime.

I changed my last name when I got married. Does that mean that I own my last name but not my first name (which has been unchanged since birth)?

Right. You own it, but your spouse doesn't.

My spouse also changed their name, so I don't think there's be any difference in ownership.

Might I suggest you make an actual attempt to wrestle with the issues the article presents.

In this case, the consumer is being confused into thinking the film is about Amanda Knox, which it isn't (according to the producer). So the marketing is deceptive, or the producer is being deceitful.

Either way, if Amanda had had a trademark on her name, she could have sued, I suppose.

I'm not keen on the idea of trademarking ones own name though. I don't envisage many poor people bringing suit for wrongful use of their name. It would be used by rich people to intimidate reporters, and we'd all end up worse-informed.

I think Amanda's complaint about the film and its promotion are valid, and I definitely think she should have been involved in the production. I think the producers should immediately start negotiating compensation with her, as a matter of goodwill.

> In this case, the consumer is being confused into thinking the film is about Amanda Knox

Are they? As I understand it, the name was not used in marketing, only mentioned once in an interview about where the story inspiration came from.

This reminds me of identity in Secure-Scuttlebutt. It’s my favorite naming system.

Basically you’re just an unpronounceable identity. Other people give you names. Different people call you different things.

After all, when you’re born, you’re just given a name.

What is Elton John's name and who owns it?

This can actually be a somewhat complicated issue when businesses are involved. When a family name is trademarked as part of a business, a different family member can sometimes be prevented from using their family name in a competing business, e.g. https://www.bullyhillvineyards.com/about/heritage

Reminds me of the artist formerly known as Prince. We need a Prince symbol emoji.

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