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Apple forced Groups to choose between having AppleID, or losing Sign in with Google/FB. That would have been equally bad for existing users who had chosen Google/FB before Apple ID was even a thing. Perhaps Groups would have happily adopted Apple ID if it hadn't been forced on it

At the end of the day Groups is a passion project. So it can be used to contribute to a world where developers aren't taken for granted

Apple ID was buggy as hell when it first came out.

Apple users will have to understand that Apple's policies can have an impact in what they get from developers. Apple only cares about $ and PR, wish it weren't this way

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From your post I get that you don’t particularly care about the users who use you it app as you are not offering any way to transition users.

I think apple cares about their users and platform, they just care about your passion project and I can understand how that triggers you. But the users belong to the apple ecosystem. You are essentially a guest there and more importantly the user has a choice to privacy. Most of my friends buy iPhone because of ApplePay, Sign in, and now throwaway emails. Apple just caters to them and forces all developers to respect that.

As an engineer I never experienced any issues when integrating with Sign in. I’ve used it in 3 apps already in the past 2 years. There was also a very long grace period.

I was raised to treat guests with respect.

> You are essentially a guest there

More like a prisoner, rather. As an Apple user, I would like to be treated as the owner of a device I have paid for - not like a "guest" or as a "prisoner".

> As an Apple user

GP was referring to developers as guests, I believe, not to users.

I do care about my users. That's pretty much all I think of all day. Send me a support request? You will have my undivided attention, for free!

But please tell me, how else can I push back on Apple's bad behavior? In war, there are collateral victims. And I, a dude who's almost a nobody, is willing to take on Apple by any means necessary when they do this kind of stuff

Respect is earned, and it is high time Apple learns to respect developers. We should all be doing this kind of thing. I'd go as far as supporting a general app strike where services become unavailable. That's pretty much how workers have gained any rights and we desperately need rights

Yes. Respect is earned. Apple has earned it, and you haven't.

Please review what "war" means, also.

Hope that iPhone photo scanning is going well :'D

If you think that random deflection and taunting is going to distract me, or anyone else here, from the fact that you failed to support your argument, you are mistaken.

Apple cares about locking their users into their platform more than they care about their users.

Users own their Apple devices, Apple does NOT own it's users.

From what I've seen and experienced that is not true. Apple support is great and help me always, Apple store is great and I always get treated nicely. So I guess they care about me and my experience which translates into the platform they have built for ME - the user. I doubt they built a platform for the sake of building something.

As for Apple owning the user - elaborate pls. I don't see how they try to even own me. I made an educated decision to use that software and hardware BECAUSE of things like ApplePay, SignIn, App Store, etc.

Crazy Stockholm syndrome in my opinion:

<<apple cares about their users and platform>>

You have to clear your mind, the don't care about you, they care about your money only. This is why they want you to be captive but they pretend that it is for your own good. And you buy it...

A trillion dollar publicly traded company sure care about money and PR.

I understand being a developer who does a passion project or an app. But I can't buy into, Apple forcing any developer to make a decision in a very short term. Almost all new guidelines comes with a 3 months interval before being enforced. And most times the deadlines get extended https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=03262020b

Apple waits a year or more before removing the Apps that don't follow a newly enforced guideline. The restriction is a problem with app submissions that comes in after a deadline

I am fucking happy that apple didn't allow you to force the choice between Google/Facebook or annoying account creating down the throats of your users. That's exactly the reason I pay more for apple hardware: UX consistency. If I didn't want it, I would be saving money using android and windows for equivalent hardware.

I've never seen such user hostile posturing from a dev.

Will avoid.

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