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What are long term side effects only time can and will tell.

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The primary one is not being dead from COVID - which is indeed quite a serious side effect.

But that's also a side effect for the majority of people who contract COVID, no?

Disingenuous argument, no? Less people will die from the vaccines, by a very large margin.

No. The disingenuous argument is calling not dying a "side effect from the vaccine".

I'm confused as to what you are arguing. The concept is just an application of statistics. Less people will die from the broad application of the vaccine vs. not, so we choose to vaccinate.

OPs argument heavily suggested the only way to not die of COVID was to get the vaccine. Which is demonstrably false.

If you mean 50%+ as majority then yes. But a nonvaccinated death rate around 2-10% worldwide compared to 0.1% of the US vaccinated population getting covid to begin with, that’s a huge difference.

The case fatality rate has been quoted to be much lower than that - 2% in bad cases (health care system failure) and 0.5% in more well managed situations.

Would love to see the numbers of 0.5%. Even in the US and with vaccines rolled out, we just skimmed 2% [1]

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Hm yeah ok, we should not look at case fatality rate when the true number of cases is so uncertain. I think it's more about what the actual risk of death is if you get covid, which is lower than this case fatality rate.

For example BSE[0] is an infectious disease believed to be due to a misfolded protein, known as a prion. The time between infection and onset of symptoms is four to five years. So if you got "infected" by prion 4–5 years after you will notice first symptoms and then you will die within weeks to months. There is no treatment for this disease.

In the context of mRNA vaccine if you feel good 1 month after getting the mRNA vaccine or if you feel okay after 1 year means nothing because biological processes are slow but when they kick in they hit hard.

Edit: I gave the example with cows a human variant is Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease and onset of symptoms can happen years to decades after exposure. Average life expectancy following the onset of symptoms is 13 months. [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopat...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variant_Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Ja...

Such an utterly ridiculous argument. The processes that occur when vaccinated with an MRNA vaccine are very well understood. This is not something that they just started researching. You don’t understand it, but it’s a rather simple thing to the scientists who designed these vaccines. My suggestion to you - when you find yourself afraid of the dark, turn on a light. The genesis of your fear is just the knowledge you lack.

This isn’t true. With a large enough sample size almost all long-term effects become short-term.

Very few long-term diseases are long-term because of a deterministic countdown. Rather, they’re the result of a small but long-lived cumulative probability. The cancer that takes twenty years to show up is caused by the persistent 0.17% chance of a malignant tumor every month.

But the upshot is that if you start with a sample size of 100,000 people, the cancer risk will be glaringly obvious in the first month.

This is why we immediately knew Asbestos was cancerous... oh wait.

a) we didn't know that because people smoked and had coal fires in their houses so everyone had cancer, and b) we did know but BigCo conspired with government to cover up and deny.

No, long term means 5,10 years and it cannot become short term because it takes 5 years (from the start of vaccination) to observe effects in people vaccinated for 5 years and it takes 10 years to observe effects in people vaccinated for 10 years.

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