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> Who buys Full Self Driving for 10k and thinks you can’t pay attention?

People who understand how English works? Like, if I spend 10k on something that is "Full Self Driving", I'm paying for the ability for it to drive itself, fully. That is to not watch the road. It's right there in the name. Otherwise call it "Kinda Self Driving"

But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep, clearly not everyone thinks that. And the better FSD is, the more crashes are avoided and the higher that percentage is.

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I understand that it's a proper name and that in English I shouldn't read too much meaning into proper names. The Big Mac isn't all that big. The Nike Dunk didn't let me dunk basketballs as a kid, but it was a cool shoe. One of my favorites was the ole Six Dollar Burger that by the end was costing you more than $6.

When you buy it its not just the name and a price.

First of all it informs you that it is not jet complete. There is a complete list of what features it has and what features it doesn't have.

You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it.

> But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep

Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep?

I have seen no numbers what so ever to confirm what you are saying.

> You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it.

All I know is in my personal experience, everyone who bought FSD feels conned. Maybe you went into it eyes wide open, and if so good for you. Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all.

How big is the disclaimer when you buy FSD? I'm not sure that any disclaimer is really worth the horribly misleading name.

>Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep?

Well, there was the one where someone went into the back seat to sleep. And there were several other high-profile crashes where people turned on FSD and passed out at the wheel at over 100MPH.

And, we only have data on when the FSD fails, and crashes ensue. Heck, we probably only have data on fatalities because the news doesn't want to get sued.

There were 17 accidents with Autopilot and non with FSD. One of those was a death where somebody fell asleep on the highway.

There are literally 100s of videos of the Autopilot doing an avoiding maneuver that prevented potentially accidents, some potentially deadly.

> Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all.

I think its fair to say you expected the features faster, but the claim its not spelled out is false. If people don't read what is very clearly written on the website when you buy it, then that is their fault.

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