Costa Rica signs law to attract digital nomads
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The government has prioritized important things like clean drinking water, food safety standards, power, and internet (sometimes at the tradeoff of roads). There's a national emphasis on preserving the natural ecology of the country, and there's no military. The budget for which goes into social programs, education, and health care.
You can go from the Caribbean to the Pacific Ocean in a few hours, which is great. But be warned the coastal areas are both incredibly hot and humid. Fortunately, much of the country is at altitude and not nearly as hot thanks to numerous volcanoes which also feature a hot springs culture in certain areas. Because of the rain forests there's an impossible number of flora and fauna (and of course rain). All of this combines to make the country quite beautiful with some of the freshest tropical fruits you'll ever eat.
The population is generally well educated, Intel used to have a chip fab there for a time and HP, Dell, Bayer, Bosch, IBM and more operate there. It's a heavily services oriented economy. Housing is affordable and the people are generally friendly enough. Food can be relatively basic, but is very filling and generally cheap.
It's also fair to point out the downsides. Transportation around can be...rugged and the cities can be bogged down with traffic. The Capital city, San José...I didn't care much for...at least near the city center. It's also a very small country with a very small population (~4 million). This can be constraining for some outsiders.
Overall though, I found it a fascinating and beautiful country and really did enjoy my time there. I would definitely go back given the chance. I also had a friend who lived there for several years and ran an consulting business to companies in the U.S. The timezone turned out to be rather advantageous and he was able to easy support U.S. East and West coast companies.
Regarding the government, a lot of locals were upset with the government policies, mostly around immigration, with lots of people moving into "slums" as low-wage workers from neighbouring countries, displacing Tico workers. There were a lot of fans of Trump there because of his policies around immigration. I was surprised, as I had a good impression of the government there, like you do, and expected to see more pride in the way things were done regarding the environment.
Interestingly, one of the people I talked with these opinions was a full-time accountant who took the day off to drive us across the country for $100.
No idea how is it today, it may be a lot better.
If a normal tourist only sees the blocks around the Ticabus bus station at 11pm and the blocks around the bus stop to their tourist destination then of course it's an ugly city.
However the Escazú, Sabana and San Pedro neighbourhoods are quite nice.
The downtown is functional (while not beautiful), compared to any other of the Central American capitals.
And the downtown main street has wide sidewalks for walking (unlike San Salvador), grid style streets (unlike Tegucigalpa), nice weather (unlike Panama), government offices, hotels, nearby (unlike all the others), and accessible by public transport.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/984826/homicide-rate-cos...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Homicides-are-up-3...
Safety is highly situational, and it depends a lot on the way crime happens. If it's criminals killing criminals (e.g. gangs), ordinary citizens and visitors might be fine. But if there is a lot of opportunistic crime, a foreigner might be a target.
It was not a "developed country" feeling everywhere. But it felt safe and welcoming everywhere we went. For example, I don't recall seeing bars on windows outside of the capital. And every local who we interacted with was polite and honest. When out shopping and eating at local places, we never found we ended up with something like a "tourist menu" or something with higher prices.
An anecdote, one woman who I was with forgot her smartphone at a roadside restaurant. A quick call and a drive back and the phone was returned without any fuss.
youtube has lots of travel videos around Costa Rica if you are interested. https://youtu.be/baXO0hC2GVg
I've definitely felt less safe in many parts of the U.S.
Smart! Low taxes, same time zone, up and coming country…
I find most people here with disparaging remarks to say about the place seem like they could benefit from getting out of their smelly basement and check it out for themselves. There's many cities in the USA which are less safe than this place.
The only thing is for the time being they're doing their best to manage covid by curfews, I'm taking a break until I can go back and actually leave the house to get a beer past 9pm
I should also mention the weather is incredibly nice and temperate up in that city as long as you don't mind the rainy season normal of about 20 minutes to a an hour or two of rain a day. It's more rain and a lot more hot closer to the beaches.
I have the perspective of someone who's actually moved here a long while ago though and I don't really have a lot of respect for the huge tourism PR move to get people out of the city by talking enormously bad about it, but at the same time I really prefer hanging out with locals over tourists and expats to get that perspective.
Insightful comment. However, this part seems inaccurate as Intel seems to only have/had a chip packaging facility in Costa Rica.
With this kind of visas I've always been curious: Unless you're US or Eritrea citizen, does this mean you don't have to pay any income tax at all, given you loose your home country's tax residentship in 183 days after leaving?
In Spain, it takes 5 years before losing tax residency after you've left the country. In France, having your wife and children in France makes you resident even if you don't live there. In the UK, you can be resident by only spending 15 days in the country if some other conditions are met.
On top of that you have to add the interaction between national law and double taxation agreements between countries.
Do you have a reference? I have never heard about that (which can happen, spain has many rules) and I doubt anyone holds to those rules but it would be good to know. I had a business in spain and as a foreign tax resident I tried to do everything by the book; the locals laughed in my face for declaring taxes at all. The system is so complex and unfriendly (the fines are high and there is world wealth tax which has fines that are probably not even legal in the EU; there are legal cases going on about it) I doubt anyone can follow the exact rules, but I tried (and probably paid way too much because of it).
https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/football/top-stories/messi...
Do they? The Amazon invoices I receive have German VAT.
Or why the tax authority would prefer a situation where the tax code is sufficiently complex the Messis and their financial advisers think such an evasion scheme is worth trying to one where they just receive a percentage of his very large earnings without any fuss or court case, like your average employee of a Spanish company. The reality is the reverse: people with a lot of income to disguise and creative tax planners love finding ambiguities and imaginative interpretations of deductions and exemptions designed for other purposes, and tax authorities would rather not be chasing them through the courts years later.
Of course this doesn't protect you from outright tax evasion. Also there are some rules like the calculation of capital gains that differ from the US system, meaning that you are not necessarily protected from double taxation, since each system taxes a different transaction.
I would way that anyone moving to Portugal to apply for NHR status and who is a programmer is wealthy. IE, anyone making over 80k to 100k on the low end.
Good to know is that Spanish taxes can go back 4 tax years which equates to about 5 years. This is shorter than most countries I did business in.
Individuals of Spanish nationality who accredit their new fiscal residence in a country or territory labelled as a tax haven will not lose their status as taxpayers for Individual Income Tax. This rule is of application during the tax period in which the change of residence occurs and for the next four tax periods."
https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-exchange/crs-implementati...
This is just another example of braindead legislation created by people who are unable to consider the full spectrum of the consequences of the law (beyond just the "intended" effects) and/or their primary motivation is publicity ("look at all these great laws I passed!")
In Croatia you do - this is why sailors who spend >6 months on the sea don't pay income tax.
https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-exchange/crs-implementati...
And I'm pretty sure our law was based on laws in other countries, like the UK.
Even as a non-resident you are still liable to pay UK tax on UK income, however.
The “family tie” test is not as onerous as it sounds. It just means you can’t have a spouse or child under 18 who is themselves a full-time UK resident.
Your understanding of what is a family test isn't correct either. If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend and you spend enough time together, you will be considered as "living as spouses or civil partners" and that would prevent you from passing the family test. The burden of proof would be on you to prove you that you're not that close to your partner to pass the test. And by the way, if your bf/gf owns or rent a place in the UK in which you spent a single night, HMRC would consider you have an accommodation in the UK.
There are solicitors who make a living solely on individual tax residency because it is way more complex than spending >183 days in the UK.
The point is that if you have enough wealth to make achieving non-tax residency desirable, then most of the time you will also have the resources to arrange your affairs in such a way that you can achieve that status while still being able to spend significant time in the UK. Yes, individual circumstances vary, but for most people in that category these tests are not a huge hurdle.
> "If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend and you spend enough time together, you will be considered as "living as spouses or civil partners" and that would prevent you from passing the family test."
In most circumstances that is unlikely. If you have a partner that you spend enough time with to be considered "living as spouses or civil partners", then they would very likely also be non-resident. Because they'd be living with you!
The CRA want some sort of document detailing that you are a tax resident elsewhere which is difficult to obtain if you are mobile between several countries.
It's cool that Costa Rica is doing this though. It legitimises what people have already been doing illegally.
Form a corporation or trust or both and have those do all the earning, and make a distribution whenever you really need to. This is not simple when you are barely getting ahead in life, but if you are it is very simple.
As an Aussie this sounds really damn tempting but I'm seeing information that implies you can still be considered an Australian tax resident if you have certain assets or interests in AU:
https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/coming-to-australia-or-go...
http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/aat/...
I would be interested in working overseas for a couple of years, but would not be interested in cutting all ties with Australia to do so.
Besides the obvious wife/kids being in Australia = personal ties, ATO also considers the following to be reasonable points to be constituted as a tax resident:
- Australian Bank accounts, even with $0.01 in it.
- Superannuation
- Properties owned, regardless if it is as an investments or owner-occupied (not rented out)
- Any Australian Account e.g. commsec, vanguard australia, telstra/optus mobile, etc
- Postal address/P.O. box
And so forth. ATO is purposefully applying broad strokes to "ties" to Australia so that they can claim their share of taxes accordingly.
I have a mate whom is a miner, working offshore for BHP, and was audited by the ATO since he lives in Indonesia (wife/family) thus claimed he is a non-tax resident. He is originally from WA so got dinged for a house he owns in WA (which he intended to come back to) + his (Telstra) mobile plan that he never used but paid the smallest plan to keep so that he didn't lose his aussie number + his NAB bank account that had $1000 in it so that he has some cash to spend when he visits family. ATO told him that if he wanted to be considered a non-tax resident, he had to liquidate _and_ close everything he has in Australia to be considered a non-tax resident. Since he didn't do so, they considered he has every intention to return to Australia thus place undue burden on medicare & pension system, if applicable, thus had to pay the difference in tax he paid in Indonesia vs. working in Australia.
In other words it’s not about what you are taxed in other places, it’s about income.
Maybe someone with better knowledge can chime in.
Article 4, bullet point 1
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
See here [0] a list of countries and their taxation methods. Go to Taxation Systems / Individuals, the table.
For the local taxes, there are a lot of other taxes besides income tax the local government benefits from
In Canada, you didn't have to pay income tax if you were outside the country for more than half the year.
Now as a citizen or resident you have a bank account in Canada, any assets (house, car) or even set foot in the country within any given year you have to pay income taxes there.
Generally the second one is quite abstract and is mostly tested in court and generally the less connection you have in Poland the more likely you are not considered as Poland being the center of your life such as: - not having company there - not having family (wife, kids) there - not having most investments there - not visiting regularly - not having any income from there
however still you can e.g. have a bank account or own flat that you rent there and still not considered to be a tax resident, probably you would have to prove that there is other country that is center of your life (e.g. paying taxes there, staying more than 6 months, having wife/kids living there, etc.)
What's gets very unclear what happens if someone doesn't have any "center of their life" anywhere - e.g. someone keep travelling for many years and every 2-3 months switching countries, living on the boat. After all e.g. 'donuts' don't have any center that belongs to them.
Ukrainian tax code has similar provisions about “center of life interest” and “staying more than 183 days”, and a backup clause stating that if your tax residency status cannot be clearly determined with the above approach then you are considered a resident if you are a citizen.
I guess this covers the case where you claim that you don't have to pay taxes in Ukraine just because no other country has considered you a tax resident and you never paid any taxes there, so you can't use that to argue that you're a non-resident as far as Ukraine in concerned.
If you have assets or a wife in Canada they may declare you a resident even after a year.
During all of that, I had to pay income tax in Canada, even though I went >2 years then almost 3 years without setting foot in the country.
*insert 1001 loopholes and exceptions here.
You’d have to renounce citizenship to get out of that little gem.
If you really become fiscal resident of a country with 0% income tax and the country you left is fine with that then, yes, you pay 0% income tax. I've got a friend who really went to live with his family in Monaco (he was a native french speaker, but not from France, which helps): he's there since five years now I'd say and, indeed, he pays 0% income tax.
* Costa Rica is pretty cheap. 30%-50% of US living cost. (minus Manhattan or west coast) You also get monkey’s in your backyard!
From a tax perspective you still are taxed on Canadian source income, so if your job is in Canada nothing changes.
With digital nomad visas specifically, as they are temporary and usually confer visitor status and not resident status, you may have difficulty establishing that you've left permanently and are resident elsewhere. That seems like a grey area yet to be tested, and the CRA probably has a good case there.
I'm not an expert, so consult a real expert in the field if you want tax advice.
I don't recommend trying things like this.
In this specific case I guess you'd make your money from the IP royalties in Costa Rica, so it may avoid the Canadian source income. I doubt it would stand up to scrutiny though, the courts would very likely see right through it.
Just to make the rules easier to enforce, it's sometimes easier to show you have resident status somewhere else. I had much bigger issues with the fact that land ownership / house ownership / bank account laws care a lot about non-resident-ownership.
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/technic...
In that case you won’t have to pay income tax anymore. However, where it gets complicated is that usually under these digital nomad visas you don’t get a new tax residence nor a tax file number from your new residence country. So you are kind of falling between the cracks and have a hard time opening bank accounts etc.
I’ve been through this whole ordeal and it certainly is an interesting experience with pros and cons.
But if you are self-employed or a different flexible arrangement, in some countries you can do the trick. For example if you live in Romania and move to CR for 2 years, you don't pay the 45% minimum income tax, which basically makes Costa Rica an "evil tax heaven" and you a very, very bad citizen of your country that is not contributing.
Holy shit
It seems to me that maybe the lifestyle is hyped online way beyond its actual likely prevalence.
For taxonomic purposes I define a digital nomad as somebody who travels for an extended period of time and actively makes a living online while doing so. I would exclude independently wealthy people and tourists. There have always been rich travelers.
Of note is that the people on this lower income tier of people who travel on a low budget while working are going to be on tourist visas. Costa Rica's tolerated this for many years now but I think they're pretty much officially encouraging more people in the higher income bracket to come through too.
It's surprising how untrue this is. Ibn Battuta and Marco Polo were really outstanding exceptions, but even they were within the past millennium; from the dawn of human history 2 million years ago until the advent of metal money around 3000 years ago, there was no way to be a rich traveler, because wealth, to the extent that it could be accumulated at all, was not portable. It took the form of land and livestock. If you were a traveler at all, you lived by the hospitality of the people in the lands you visited, who could also kill you without fear of repercussions if they felt like it, and very likely would if they thought you were stealing their deer or their millet. You had no way to pay them; your granary deposit receipts from Ur were of no value in Egypt, and vice versa.
So there have only been rich travelers for the latest 0.15% of human history. But if you are shortsighted enough I guess that might seem almost the same as "always".
I'd put the number of digital nomads at probably tens of thousands. We founded coworking in part in order to make digital nomadism possible.
>So there have only been rich travelers for the latest 0.15% of human history
I would prefer the phrase "human existence" here because in the social sciences, prehistory ends and history begins when the society or region in question acquires people who know how to write, so for example the history of Scandinavia begins around 800 AD.
Dubai's nomad visa has a $5k monthly income cutoff, right around the amount of cash income with which one can consider living there. $5k will still be on the lower end of living comfortably there.
Data point: Visited Costa rica around 2012
As a side note, is there good schooling in Costa rica? Asking for a toddler. Cheers
For example, the Cayman Islands had a pandemic program that required staying at certain bubble properties, which were like $10,000 per interval. Not sure what the interval was, but it was expensive and would accomplish the gatekeeping.
I immigrated in my current country at 26 and it was really easy and warm, and they did everything to quadruple my salary from the european country I came from.
Now that I'm close to permanent residency and 33, I'm thinking of jumping again, but with a kid, an giganormous salary and a lot of money to be picky, I expect to be more a burden for the next country than an obvious cheap asset.
Well that's not true. All this will do is further commoditize the housing market and price locals out of the very neighborhoods they grew up in. Digital nomadism aims to turn the whole of the global south into a company town for the benefit of the owners of Intellectual Property in the global north (plus the politicians who helped create these horrific Intellectual Property systems and laws), as well as the privileged knowledge laborers who work for them.
In other words; without access to the firewalled and 'IP protected' networks of scientific knowledge (the sum total of all human progress) the global south is perpetually blocked from growing, and has become a plaything of the global north elite, to be used and abused and plundered at will.
Studies have found that income inequality decreases with improved worker mobility.
In the north people always tout the benefits of having immigrants come in —especially the high income highly educated.
But here you’re doing the opposite and saying high income immigrants are bad for the locals. Is that the case only in one direction?
If you want someone to blame for the poor economy, blame local politicians corruption and graft endemic locally.
Compare Argentina to New Zealand. One has many more resources and many more people, both in the south but one has corruption and the other doesn’t. One does well and the other perpetually defaulting and getting nowhere.
Before you blame it on the past dictatorships keep in mind past dictatorships in s Korea, Taiwan, Japan even, have not kept those countries from becoming economic dynamoes. You do have to do the hard work of getting your house in order, instill education and entrepreneurship and a dream to succeed (corruption might favor incumbents for example).
I'm not buying the "wealthy foreigner as the main culprit" story. Surely they add to the existing demand and it's always nice to have an external scapegoat, but there's clearly something bigger going on than just foreigners. I'm thinking continued difficulties to build housing without going through multi-year permit processes, most of the city still being NIMBY'd into low-rise SFH zoning, and the sizeable number of millenials both getting wealthy enough to buy into housing as well as getting FOMO from continued price appreciations.
But it's always nice to have a plausible explanation for why the innocent locals aren't at fault.
Here's the dark secret: these countries are already the playthings of other countries and effectively irrelevant and powerless. The question is how they stop being that and not they avoid becoming it.
I think sci-hub is blocked in a bunch of European countries but very little of the so-called global south.
I'm not sure you know what a company town is. In a company town, a single company owns the whole town, trapping the inhabitants in a cycle of buying overpriced goods at the company store and renting overpriced housing from the company, so they can never save money. Mr. Peabody and his privileged knowledge laborers didn't move to a company town or even a quasi-company-town like Pawnee; he moved to Hinsdale, a wooded suburb of Chicago, where he'd grown up.
My experience with the so-called "global south" is that usually the local elites have a great deal more influence than overseas companies, and they use it to consolidate their own power, preventing economic development. But generalizations are misleading; the peripheral countries in the world economic system are extremely diverse. The problems in Nigeria are not the same as the problems in Argentina, which (fortunately) are not the same as the problems in Venezuela, and Micronesia has totally different problems (and is largely controlled by overseas politicians).
But as an engineering manager who travels to Costa Rica often to work for weeks from there (from all over the country) I can tell you that I rarely have connectivity issues.
https://theculturetrip.com/central-america/costa-rica/articl...
I imagine there is some sort of drug trafficking fiesta or holiday that I'm just constantly missing.
At the same time as I'm travelling, I'm still paying capital gain taxes to the country where I live officially, even though I get nothing in return from that country.
If you gain residency here, you are treated no different to a Finn.
> At the same time as I'm travelling, I'm still paying capital gain taxes to the country where I live officially, even though I get nothing in return from that country.
This is ludicrous and a fault of your own gov. I presume you are US.
According to this, Finland's budget revenue for 2021 is estimated at €68.1 billion. €14 billion of it (20%) came from income and wealth taxes.
Your excise taxes alone are almost half of what income and wealth taxes bring in. VAT is 31% of the budget revenue.
With numbers like these I don't think it's unreasonable to do away with income taxes and replace them with other forms of taxation.
If you did away with income tax you’d still end up having to modulate another tax according to income/wealth, which kind of ends up being the same thing as an income tax
You're looking at it from an individual/market economy point of view as a transaction (tax for services).
But that's not how the people setting the tax are looking at it. They're thinking about how can we make this country survive, how do we make it prosper, how much money do we need to make that happen, and how do we get that money from the population.
So you should expect to pay for things which are:
* Larger than individual or company scale
* Longer than individual or company lifespan
* Less probable than individuals or companies will consider
* Strategic in some other way that the market economy isn't able to handle
And yeah, a lot of those aren't going to benefit you personally. It's still a good idea for someone to be paying.
The above is an idealisation, and of course there is also waste and corruption to add to the picture, which is probably what you really object to I imagine.
Also .. Starlink.
Power is a larger concern - in rainy season we've been having outages several times a week, though most are short. That will vary based on location.
In any case, if renting a house, check for fiber & check whether they have a generator or a few UPSes at least.
Another HNer mentioned Costa Rica's internet connections during power outages, hence my question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28169281
There's also good LTE (as a fallback) in many villages that cater to tourists, but coverage is spotty as you get more remote.
Again I don't really see power outages last longer than an hour or so, but my laptop manages to run for about 2 hours with a 4g modem in it. I used to be able to go even longer with an extra battery back when laptops still had those -- So really as long as you're not lugging around a UPS and desktop for some reason you should be good for at least that much time.
If it's out longer than a day I pretty much just pack my stuff and head into the city. I recognize most people don't really have this kind of luxury with the kind of work they do but I specifically worked my way to this point where I can afford to do this and maybe if you stretch your imagination in terms of possibilities you can too
Either way I've come to view bandwidth that high as something great if you're running severs or whatever but kind of overkill if all you need is enough for a small home office
For symmetric fibre for business you might want to look at this company's business offerings: https://www.data.cr/ but other than that you're only going to find that in data centres
Would be great to see more remote friendly + no covid restriction places esp as other countries double down.
I’d feel much safer living in a country whose healthcare system isn’t constantly at risk of being overwhelmed by uncontrolled Covid spread.
I live in a country with less than 10% vaccination rate now, and there is plenty of hospital capacity to cater to non-covid related things, esp for ones that see more expats than not.
Ha, I faced more risks growing up when I had to avoid the local gangs walking to school as a kid than I do now. Most people never gave a shit about that (and still don't), esp those that didn't live there. I won't really pretend that people really care about my safety or the safety of others any more so than their personal preferences.
I'm gonna have to fact-check that. In the UK, for under 50s with a delta infection, there is basically no risk reduction for death. For over 50s, the risk reduction is currently about 75%[1]. You would then have to scale that by the risk of getting infected, which would be a reduction of up to 90%, depending on when you got your vaccination and how well your immune system picked up on it. You might hit a single order of magnitude.
[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
I am really not sure how you reached this conclusion from the 44 page paper you linked. That paper explicitly says that being vaccinated reduces risk of becoming infected, and only mentions that Ct values (detectable virus) are similar in infected people whether they are vaccinated or not, but similar Ct values does not imply similar disease trajectories or outcomes.
The data is on page 18/19. In the vaccinated group 13 out of 25,536 infections resulted in death (0.051%). In the unvaccinated group, it's 48 out of 147,612 (0.032%).
> That paper explicitly says that being vaccinated reduces risk of becoming infected.
Perhaps, but then even if you are infected, your risk of death (under 50) is still effectively the same. It's also not clear how big that risk reduction of infection is. It started out at 95% during the trials, Israel last reported 39%:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-v...
> similar Ct values does not imply similar disease trajectories or outcomes
We still use Ct values as a proxy for infectiousness.
Following your logic, its a great thing that local authorities didn't do anything stop the local gangs, nor encourage taking any safety measures to protect yourself. Yay freedom?
They did, always another task force this that or another (I was only aware of some of this growing up), but never really changed the realities on the ground that some were exposed to more than others. Just learned to grow up and not expect that much and try to work with the people around me and watch each other, which wouldn't be possible if we were just trying to coerce one another to do things we didn't want to do (and was already kind of hard because I couldn't necessarily trust some around me).
By all means, live where you want to live and shoot your self up with the latest drug someone is pushing (whether that is some kid selling "water" on the corner or Pfizer incentivized doctors in a pop up tent) to your ability to do so.
Based on your response it seems true. You don't care to respond about issues posing more danger than your pet issue
Fair enough, but thats never really how i've been, and old habits die hard.
> So many people have had no choice but to comply with some pretty harsh restrictions
True, but the writing has been on the wall for a while in certain jurisdictions that could even enable governments to do such things. I have a lot of sympathy for those who wanted out but couldn't for whatever reason (this goes beyond covid).
> Colombia, from your list, for example may be open now but a few months ago the cops were beating people for going out. Not "please sir go back inside" but literal beat downs
Yeah, cops like to beat down folks for various reasons everyday throughout the world (some places more than others), with or without covid restrictions, and that sucks in general.
More governmental jurisdictions offering a variety of ways people can try to live the way they want to live is better than less, imo.
Or maybe you just think governments have overstepped and are on a slippery slope, as far as goes types of coercion methods, subtle or not, over your personal health choices.
It's not black or white. There's a ton going on in this debate, and I think any healthy skeptic should continue to look at these things closely. I think there was just a Carnegie Melon study the other day saying that those with Phd's are unexpectedly vaccine hesitant vs. general pop. Just saying covid measures - vaccines - quarantines - there is a lot of room for debate right now.
The COVID virus is about 0.1 µm.
The pores in a 3-layer surgical mask are about 50 µm to 500 µm in the first and third layer averaging around 100 µm, and 12 µm to 30 µm in the middle layer averaging around 13 µm.
For a 3-layer N95 mask, it is 50 µm to 200 µm first layer averaging about 75 µm, 40 µm to 120 µm averaging 50 µm for the third layer, and 10 µm to 20 µm averaging 11 µm for the middle layer.
If the only mechanism by which filtering of air worked was to catch particles that were too big to pass through the pores, then the virus would indeed go right through.
However, that is not the only mechanism. Here's a short article from a filter company explaining the different mechanisms [1]. It is quite counterintuitive--as particle size goes down below the pore size efficiency starts to drop as you would intuitively expect but only for a bit and then as particle size continues to go down efficiency rises.
[1] http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/document...
Conversely, some 95% of covid deaths are unvaccinated. It works. Get it and help everyone around you.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/modern...
If you look at some real-world vaccine efficacy data, you will find that it is far from black and white. In the UK, with delta infections, there is no observable risk reduction against death for under 50s.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
> We're approaching 5 billion doses administered with minimal serious adverse effects.
It doesn't matter if the side-effects are minimal, what matters is that the risk/reward benefit pays off. For instance, we still don't know the complete extent to which Pfizer vaccines cause heart issues. There are many cardiac events that aren't clearly linked to the vaccine, because they could have occurred by chance. That doesn't mean they aren't linked though.
Here's some statistically significant numbers out of Israel, showing an increase in lethal cardiac events in certain population groups:
https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/status/1425002893116166144
If we put this putative risk against the vanishingly small risk of a lethal covid infection in a young person with no risk factors, the vaccine doesn't necessarily come out on top.
In the case of viral-vector vaccines, even the very rare (but often fatal) TTS alone suggests that such vaccination is not indicated for people under 60 in Australia:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X2...
> Conversely, some 95% of covid deaths are unvaccinated.
This is a meaningless number. It depends on how many people are vaccinated and when you started counting. In the UK, roughly half of the recent COVID deaths are in the fully vaccinated, though they are also obviously older. In the under-50 group, there is no difference, like I said.
> Get it and help everyone around you.
This is another fallacy, because the vaccine prevents neither infection nor transmission reliably. If you have reason to believe the vaccine gives you a meaningful reduction in risk, get it to protect yourself. If you want to protect others, adjust your behavior. Get tested and avoid close interactions with lots of people. In either case, don't ask me to take a risk for your or anyone else's benefit.
I am really not sure how you reached this conclusion from the 44 page paper you linked. That paper explicitly says that being vaccinated reduces risk of becoming infected, and only mentions that Ct values (detectable virus) are similar in infected people whether they are vaccinated or not, but similar Ct values does not imply similar disease trajectories or outcomes.
The data is on page 18/19. In the vaccinated group 13 out of 25,536 infections resulted in death (0.051%). In the unvaccinated group, it's 48 out of 147,612 (0.032%).
> That paper explicitly says that being vaccinated reduces risk of becoming infected.
Perhaps, but then even if you are infected, your risk of death (under 50) is still effectively the same. It's also not clear how big that risk reduction of infection is. It started out at 95% during the trials, Israel last reported 39%:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-v...
> similar Ct values does not imply similar disease trajectories or outcomes
We still use Ct values as a proxy for infectiousness.
And, to make it work, they need to make it very attractive.
(There is also a company tax issue which I don't think this type of thing can solve, which is the risk of the tax residency or tax status of the Company in its home jursidiction or third countries relying on directors/senior managers physically being located in the home jurisdiction).
If countries do stuff like this tho, it would actually undermine.
really hope to see other countires follow suit.
Just kidding, I really did not like Costa Rica. The exchange rate ( The colon is worth more than the dollar, really ??? ), the people were rude, power goes out a lot and internet was spotty at best ( on the Atlantic side ).
I'm a little confused by this. The exchange value for 1 USD to 1 Costa Rican Colon is 1:621. But I'm even more confused why this is a problem for you. It's the purchasing power that is important, and Costa Rica is significantly less expensive that the United States for someone holding US Dollars.
> the people were rude
All 4 million of them? If you've written off an entire country as rude, it might be on you.
If you change your money, then you'll obviously get a better rate.
When I said "holding US dollars," I didn't mean literally holding US dollars. I meant Costa Rica is generally cheaper than the United States for people whose primary income, or wealth is in US dollars.
To quote thomas jefferson out of context, “uhhh, France?”
Kidding, but more substantially… you’re being a bit pedantic to the poster. When talking about places to possibly live for a while, anecdotes are helpful. And saying, “There people were rude” is a perfectly legit anecdote that clearly isn’t meant to imply the entire population was assessed.