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Could you provide specific evidence that China has and would do this? I’ve a hard time recalling any specific cases. Maybe nation-states do this kind of thing, but I’m only aware of the countless times the United States has done this. What’s the recent history?

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That China would use heavy handed tactics to coerce a US tech company?

Google for "Operation Aurora"

Also see: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh... for a very similar situation to the one described up-thread.

Assuming you are American — where do you think your iCloud keys are stored? You do know Apple cooperates with US LE and intelligence? This is a nothing hamburger.

I concede that there are overlapping issues there. But if you're saying there aren't places China goes with this sort of info that's different from the US, I don't think any debate would change your mind.

So far I have no specific reason to think China goes places that are as deeply consequential and chilling than the US. What’s Assange up to these days?

> So far I have no specific reason to think China goes places that are as deeply consequential and chilling than the US.

I would be intrigued to hear about the Uyghurs thoughts on the matter, as well as those of Assange.

Do you have access to this webpage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests

What does this have to do with forcing corporations’ hands?

If you have access: scroll to the "Contemporary Issues" section. Further reading linked in that section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_censorship_of_Chinese...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Peo...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insigh...

Apple has to store data of chinese citizens in china? And Apple has to adhere to chinese laws in china? How insane.

It's crazy how deluded the "CCP crowd" are. Apparently, the "CCP crowd" thinks companies are allowed to do business in another country and not abide by their laws.

Are you going to go insane since the EU requires tech companies to store EU citizens data within the EU?

https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2021/05/06/eu-data-boun...

You would think most countries would demand their citizens data be stored locally.

Where do you think your iCloud keys are stored? Switzerland?

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