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> even ships with its own cloud environment (Azure)

Can you elaborate on this? What does it mean that ".Net ships with Azure"?

Microsoft created .NET and Azure and a lot of the tooling so the integration is tight, now that it's multi platform and with Rider (multiplatform .NET IDE) being as good as if not better than Visual Studio there is nothing stopping it.

Azure integration is not that great actually. For example .NET 5 support for Azure Functions is a huge breaking change with random issues, missing features and terrible IDE support (you have to launch it through CLI and attach to a PID printed out by the host process to debug a function, you could just debug 3.1 functions) - it's beta quality.

I find this a common theme with Azure support and .NET

I agree, the functions story with .NET 5 is a right pain in the arse at the moment. I understand why it's happened, but I want my .NET 5 durable functions!

Azure functions are one small part of Azure. Im talking about Azure Dev ops for example which is deeply integrated in the tooling. Including source control/product backlogs/pipelines/testing etc.

What does it mean "the integration is tight"? Are we talking about good Azure libraries, or is there some runtime integration (e.g., a .Net orchestrator i.e., Kubernetes but for .Net applications rather than containers)? Or does it just mean that Azure is better than other clouds at running .Net because it's a first-class citizen where it's usually second-tier on AWS/GCP?

Alternative take, the Azure documentation is shit if you are not using dot net... but pretty good if that's your toolchain.

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