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Oh god, this is entirely out of context for 99.999% of users of this site. I don't see any productive conversation coming from this..

All I can say.. is NZ is based on a partnership, between the crown and Maori peoples. (setting asside bi-vs-multi-cultural-ism for the moment) The idea that sovereignty was never given up by Maori is a very important one. There is a lot of thought on decolonialism recently. While whole world is subsumed by machinations extreme free-market techno-capitalist and data hording algorithm trainers, The Author of this article is apparently thinking about this form within a Maori world view.

I can't really talk about it despite years of Highschool Tikanga and Reo classes, ect.. I dont think it makes much sense out of context..

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> The idea that sovereignty was never given up by Maori is a very important one. There is a lot of thought on decolonialism recently.

These are still pretty fringe views in NZ.

There are some groups that support separate institutions and legal systems for Maori but I wouldn't say that's anywhere near a majority view.

It isn’t that fringe. Look at healthcare, where the abysmal results delivered to Maori (see the below Hauora report) are looking likely to result in a radical change in funding and the establishment of The Maori Health Authority.

I work in health and am not Maori. Reading a little into health disparities was a ‘holy shit’ moment for me. We do very poorly.

https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/report-on-stage-one-of...

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/establishment-new-māori-...

It’s not fringe, it’s the legal bedrock of NZ’s constitution.

It’s not about separate, it’s about the crown entering into a legal treaty then dishonouring it because lol Great Britain.

Yes but unfortunately they are fringe ideas that our PM and her cabinet appear to subscribe to - although they refuse to explicitly say so.

Ugh, it’s quite literally the founding constitution and basis for NZ. Describing mana whenua as ‘Fringe’ is racist and insulting.

I'm sorry but you're simply not right, and going around calling everyone who disagrees with you "racist" won't make you any more right.

How am I “not right”?

Well for one your certainty about the constitutional basis of our nation, which has been in dispute since the signing of the treaty.

Your certainty that it's in disupte is misguided. It's not. There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties. The crown and the NZ govt. have ignored it since it was signed, but that doesn't mean the foundation isn't there.

https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/tears-of-rangi/ I'd recommend reading this, it covers the history of the period of the signing of the the Treaty of Waitangi in a lot of depth.

> There's a treaty signed which establishes joint soverignty over Aotearoa and it was signed in good faith by both parties.

It's a fairly flawed 1 page document with two incompatible translations signed 181 years ago. There's certainly still plenty of debate over how much sovereignty Maori are granted by the treaty, how that would be implemented, and how relevant it is in the modern context.

Dispute over what it means, yes, like all legal documents. But my initial reply was to a poster describing it as 'fringe'. It is anything but.

You don't think the treaty is in dispute? There's literally an entire tribunal whose only remit is to adjudicate treaty disputes. Treaty disputes have been in the news on a regular basis for decades.

See my other comment. It very much exists and is very much the basis for NZ law. You said it was 'fringe': it isn't.

on a side note I remember Richard stallman speaking at my University about intellectual property abolishment, and fielding a question about ownership rites of traditional Maori knowledge, which he completely didn't get.

Maybe he didn't get it.. or maybe you didn't like his answer?

No it really seemed that he and the questioner didn't understand each other's points.

What is the target here? A lot of the points seem to address personal data collection by companies or the government, but they define Māori data very broadly as:

> data, information or knowledge in any format or medium, which is about, from, is produced by Māori Peoples

Do they mean to include inventions? Code? Works of art?

Animism is the new mindfulness?

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