Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional
economist.com
economist.com
This article[0] mentions some, though not all of the families (The Aliotos aren't mentioned here for example). While I haven't fully kept up, I know in the 90s at least a quarter of the financial district was held by two families. They own a ridiculous amount of the city's most valuable real estate and getting into office without their approval seems impossible.
I've been wanting someone to do a deep dive on them forever but it never happens and any analysis that lacks them feels pretty disappointing.
[0] https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-...
The Irvine Company is very similar in Southern California. It seems like they own everything when you want office real estate.
So, it's corruption, right?
Well, except that if you talk to any contractors (like your internet provider installer) you find that they love The Irvine Company because there is someone who has a little bit of competence for them to talk to when they need to. As opposed to every other real estate company that seems to be staffed by brain-damaged monkeys.
So, you can posit corruption. Or, you can posit that real estate management is one of those markets that tends toward monopoly because you can amortize the costs more effectively the more properties you own.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13
The Economist is as useful in terms about learning about the world as reading headlines.
In areas that are on the periphery, their coverage feels shallow and unsatisfying. I would imagine that the writers, who are some of the best in business, are doing their research but trying to make the content accessible. I can’t fault them for that. However, in this day and age, I would expect them to offer more depth.
On any tech topic Stratechery dives in deep, analysing the incentives, actions and outcomes of each player. Every quarterly report from the big tech companies is analysed. The author also has the courage to make predictions, many of which turn out to be true. It’s worth the money in my book.
The Economist also covers tech topics but at a high level, and for an audience that isn’t tech inclined. Take for example, this gem of an article - Why Companies Struggle With Recalcitrant IT (https://www.economist.com/business/2020/07/18/why-companies-...). For a layman it’s a great intro on software is always delayed and over budget. For those of us who work in IT, it’s all obvious stuff.
A person familiar with IT might say “go deeper, talk about other issues”. In fact, I did just that. I contacted the author and pointed out a couple of difficulties in software that increase complexity, like dependency management. The author was aware of this already but chose not to add this for the sake of keeping the article a manageable length [1].
That’s what the Economist does - covers a wide range of topics, while not assuming the reader is knowledgeable about any of it. Even though finance focussed newspaper, they painstakingly explain every term before they use it. But these two constraints - covering breadth and not assuming knowledge mean there is a limit to how deep they can go on any topic.
If you find a newspaper that analyses every topic in the world to your desired level of detail, please let us know. Also, if the newspaper isn’t staffed by aspiring fiction writers gratifying themselves by writing impossibly large “long reads”, that would be even better.
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[1] - their response to my letter :
Dear nindalf,
Thank you for your letter. You're right, of course - I've always thought it's a bit like an ancient city like Istanbul, with modern buildings sitting on top of layers of old architecture that's only half-mapped and whose builders are long forgotten. Unfortunately there wasn't space to get too evocative in the piece itself.
I've forwarded your letter for publication, though, because it's an important point.
Best,
Tim Cross
Technology Editor
The Economist
I mean they spend paragraphs bashing the 'leftie' DA before admitting the problem is actually the police being rubbish.
I knew they were biased, but the article seems especially bad.
Personally, I'm very glad that this isn't a mainstream way of understanding problems. Rich people are kind of fungible, in that they usually don't want to pay taxes, but other than that usually have about the same range of politics as everybody else. Focusing on individual malfeasance tends to protect dysfunctional systems.
We're not talking about "rich people", that's fine and well. We're talking about classes with .5B+ levels of wealth, where it's not about subscribing to politics, it's about literally having the ability to influence politics, should they wish to. Fyi every country and civilization, ever, has had powerful interest groups that seek to control politics to further secure their position and interests. This is not surprising to anyone that this exists. Maybe the main difference today is that in this era of shell companies and the anonymity that comes with mass, global societies, it's able to be less public than before, e.g. way less public than when societies actually had open aristocracies not that long ago.
There are probably at least two dozen families, each of which has a few powerful members. Getting them all to agree on anything besides their own self-interest of maintaining their own wealth and power is quite hard.
But the city government has delivered very well on that one shared interest of theirs. They own a lot of property and property values are way up over the past few decades.
Maybe many of them just aren't pro American. In almost every other country the media/politics carefully try to project some national pride and sense of unity; it's actually the opposite here in the US isn't it?
If you do or are supposed to feel some guilt or sorrow or shame for the bad, then you could feel some pride or happiness or thankfulness for the good.
Here in France we only just now had a president recognizing our role in the Rwanda genocide, which happened 20 years ago.
Overall I'm seeing a lot more people calling for being proud of our nation and moving past inconvenient historical details than self-flagellation.
Macron is an exception in how much he stands for the "duty to memory" thing. Most people are fine believing their country can do nothing wrong.
But they absolutely do love to push the moral and economic burden for such things on to the common person.
And of course people are proud of their country and history and societies because that's normal healthy part of the human condition. This behavior and thought is increasingly shamed and bullied though.
Government jobs are extremely lucrative, many pay six figures and opportunities to supplement with graft are plentiful. It’s a powerful club to be in and you’re potentially set for life. My spouse is a lifelong resident and remembers rushing to city hall with other hopefuls every time the city opened up applications.
The FBI is still working it’s way through the public works department with noted criminals like Mohammed Nuru and RoDBIgo Santos. I don’t really know what the Getty’s get out of playing kingmaker, but it’s pretty obvious what Willie Brown et all get out of neglecting the city and funneling money as they see fit.
Six figures in SF is literally nothing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
Because they can't influence supervisor elections or school board elections as well as they can elections for mayor. The reason why San Francisco mayors are always re-elected is because they're very middle of the road in terms of politics and risk tolerance. Activist policies are usually the product of the Board of Supervisors, the school board, the district attorney, or public initiative, all of which are completely independent of the mayor's office. Sometimes the mayor's office will try to head off policies by offering watered-downed versions as an alternative. This doesn't always work, but it does contribute to the sense that they share some of the more radical policy preferences.
If you don't believe that the mayor's office has been significantly more conservative than the other political centers of San Francisco, just look at the police department. However dysfunctional you think the police department, it's not because the mayor's office has ever appointed a far left, defund-the-police police chief that seemingly every liberal has been demanding for decades. Police chiefs are appointed by the mayor the same way the monied elite choose a mayor--someone who is middle of the road, will keep their head down, and keep things moving along as best they can amidst the fracas. And as you would expect, their performance always falls short because their job isn't to succeed, but to avoid failure.
In general the mayor's office is expected by the old money elite (and increasingly some of the new money elite, like Benioff) to be the caretaker of a city with often times very extreme and contradictory policy demands. They're expected to avoid controversy, blunt the extremists, negotiate (quietly!) among various interests (e.g. unions), and pick up the pieces when things fail.
> The wealthy people who control NYC politics seem less tolerant of such issues.
Maybe. But I tend to think that a more important factor is that NYC still has a larger working class. The upper middle class, which increasingly dominates San Francisco politically, is disconnected from the city. Their politics come from social media and national narratives. They're more focused on avoiding feeling guilty about drug addicts and the homeless than on actual results. That's why the policies keep getting pushed further and further left (far beyond what was ever demanded 10 years earlier) despite the lack of results.
The thing about the rich elite, especially old money, is that in many ways they're far more grounded than the middle classes, especially modern middle classes. If you own buildings or businesses, local politics matters immensely to you. No matter how conservative or liberal you are, what matters above all else is consistency and avoiding surprises. Consistency and security is critical because you're immobile. The same is true for the working classes. No matter how pissed you are at economic inequality, the last thing you need is the ground constantly shifting underneath your feet. Similar to old money, consistency and security is critical because you're immobile.
San Francisco has too few of the latter kinds of people. At the end of an election cycle, its votes that matter, not dollars. The result is that moderates, which are still quite powerful, are always playing defense rather than offense.
You don't really need cabals to explain it. And it's unclear to me what mechanism the cabals supposedly have to choose the mayor; why they'd choose London Breed over say, Angela Alioto (a member of the "old money elite"); why they can choose the mayor but failed to choose their desired DA in the same election cycle; etc.
Where as long as you voted for your constituents' priority issues, you were free to strike deals on everything else.
Sunlight and transparency carry responsibility with them... and I'm not sure what we, the public, have done with the additional information (to wit, being outraged about everything, all the time) has been for the best of the entire system.
We don't look kindly on managers who micromanage their employees' work, and yet we're essentially doing the same thing to our politicians. Especially at the local level.
Property taxes have been frozen which basically just throws more money into their throats.
You have Pacific Heights, Presidio/Richmond (especially where Feinsteins, Pelosis, Cockers, Dorseys, etc. live) as well as Marin and Hillsborough, et al.
They can let it happen because they can create their own little bubble world and never interact with "the deplorables".
I grew up in the Bay Area and went to "good schools" with these peoples' children so I've seen them up-close-and-personal. They are not nice people.
New Yorkers in my experience are far more practical and "based" compared to Western large blue cities.
My impression is the prevailing opinion within the families should not be attempting to hold office directly and that Angela's bid was not widely supported even by many of her relatives, let alone the wider group we're discussing.
But people still believe that Republicans will take away your freedoms and Democrats will solve everything (I don't believe either will solve much).
Voting rules should instill confidence in elections among people who are low information and don't trust the other side. You can't build an election system on telling the other side "trust us" and "you can't prove bad things happened." And elections should be decided quickly and decisively, again to foster faith in the system. The NYC Democratic Primary was a shit show in this regard.
Look at how they do voting in Taiwain--we should do it that way too: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3855762
Democrats tried to "annul" the 2004 and 2016 elections too. They had Congressional hearings over "voter fraud" in Ohio, based on the supposed mismatch between exit polls and the final results. (And that was with a 2 point margin for Bush, vastly bigger than the ones at issue in 2020.)
https://www.salon.com/1999/11/03/sf/
I don't think there's that much ideology to it. The place is corrupt and dysfunctional because it's conditioned itself to be corrupt and dysfunctional. Brownback's Kansas government had similar problems; same in Ohio.
This seems like a very reasonable hypothesis
Property crime is sky high... if you happen to get caught breaking into a car the penalty is a warning. That is the policy. You have to break into many cars and be caught (which is hard to do) many times for any action.
Boudin has indefensibly ignored violent criminals, too. Like a woman being assaulted while trying to open the door to here condo, fully on video and there was no prosecution. Even a few cases of murder from repeat offenders who were let go repeatedly after violent assault.
If you live in SF, try the Citizen phone app for alerts near you. There is some crazy stuff happening all around the city. Lately, cars keep inexplicably flipping over on city streets.
The craziest update I've seen was an alert about man dressed like a clown wielding a sword-cane.
This always struck me as a BS excuse, because if you're trying to demonstrate that the DA is the problem, wouldn't you want to be making arrests and creating a paper trail to prove your point? Apathy by the police just makes them look bad to anyone who's on the receiving end of it.
And getting arrested is still a deterrent without charges. Hell, even "A cop might begin asking me some questions" is a mild deterrent.
You’re not going to convince me to pay you more if you do a shit job. Same issue as with the SF school district.
https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/clea...
https://sfdistrictattorney.org/policy/da-stat/
Some court activity dropped in 2020, but filing rates are higher in 2021 already, highlighting the impact closed and reduced court capacity has had. Filings, even in 2020, though lower that 2021, were not out of the norm of the last decade. This year, rates are at 2018/2019 levels and close to a high for the decade.
Lots of people come out and like to point a finger at our new DA when the data just doesn’t support it. If there is a problem with prosecutors in SF, it’s existed before Chesa.
Your current anecdotes sound like hearsay to me, I would need to see some credible sources before I can start believing them.
And the statement is because it is a falsifiable with no evidence to back it up. Wegner’s statement about plate tectonics was bold by the same measure (although he offered some evidence; but apparently not enough).
Part of it is housing costs and the department's difficulty filling open positions. Part of it is bad management of the police department: not having competent detectives dedicated to solving quality of life and property crimes. Some part is probably trying to make the current DA look bad because they're fighting.
SFPD has so far resisted any attempt at reform toward community policing or setting up dedicated QOL units. The city's broken NIMBY planning process ensures newly hired officers are not likely to be able to live in the community where they police. Fix those problems, then we can worry about prosecutions.
As you can probably imagine, community policing is difficult if you're not a member of the community. And as the cost of living goes up while property taxes remain artificially depressed due to prop 13, the disparity between what municipalities are able to pay for police (which is partially funded by property taxes), and how much those police will need to afford to live there, will continue to grow. It seems like a slow, self-reenforcing downward spiral that will only get re-set if the quality of life deteriorates to the point where people actually start moving out of these communities.
San Francisco has plenty of cops. They like to write tickets, do crossword puzzles, and play chess. (Go to the basement of any precinct.). Let's not forget drinking too much, and lucky if they finished a community college. I imagine those last few sentences are common observations at most Police Squads across America.
It's not prop 13.
As to homelessness---it's bad all over the west coast for obvious reasons. And no it's not because the widow whom rents out a room to a scary stranger so she can stay in the home she raised her kids in. I guess prop 13 is an easy target? There's a part of me that would like you Know it All's whom didn't live through opening a ever increasing property tax bill your wish of repeal.
Let's be real. Tech hate all unions. Many of you guys will be politely shown the door at 50. If you save a bit, and happened to score a home when younger; when you are puttering around the garage ruining the iPad with tools brought from Amazon, while wearing a fishing vest, calling your wife mom; you will cherish prop 13.
"Before covid-19 San Francisco was the car-break-in capital of America; but with fewer tourists, criminals have shifted their attention. Home burglaries are up. Shootings have more than doubled in the past year. Viral videos show daytime heists, with perpetrators sauntering out of stores without consequence. Lax enforcement of drug laws can become fatal when even small amounts can kill."
An amazing statistics is that if the the US released every prisoner except the murderors and rapsists, we’d still have a higher incarceration rate than the EU.
A city full of bike thieves, shoplifters, and public defecators isn’t going to have a high incarceration. Even if the police are vigorous about arrests, those people just don’t spend very long in jail.
They’d adopt policies that would make tons of sense in Alabama.
I asked him what he thought would be needed to bring him out of homelessness and keep him inside society. He said he didn’t want that, he said he enjoyed being homeless. He was sleeping in a squat house, he was able to score enough cash from tourists to support his drugs habit, the police left him alone because he didn’t look out of place, he was clean, groomed etc.
How does society help someone with that view?
Here in Glasgow, Scotland we have a relatable challenge. There’s 14 people who refuse accommodation. They are long term homeless, all of them have mental issues and most have addiction problems. There’s over 100 people most nights take up access to a homeless shelter in Glasgow but they accept the help available and on average only spend 3 nights before going into proper accommodation and no longer need the shelter’s help. So It’s not that there’s no systems in place but that hardcore of 14 people who want to live on the streets have no obvious way forward.
It’s played on my mind many times over the years, how do you help someone in that scenario?
I did a short stint with a charity who supports some folks who have been given emergency housing. I was in one of the blocks of flats in Paisley one day helping deliver some food shopping, they’re only just habitable these emergency apartments - extremely basic inside. I understand why, they get trashed often by residents and so the council can’t afford to make them nice. It’s quite a bleak outlook for these folks even if they did decide they want to live indoors again.
This is a long post to say the reality seems like there’s no quick fix or easy win. If you do nothing you make things worse. If you do something, it might not be wanted.
> How does society help someone with that view?
To play devil's advocate -- does society need to help someone like that right away? It sounds like this man isn't in a great place, but content with what he has. Not so sound callous, but there's likely a deeper rock bottom he can hit -- if he ever gets injured or sick for example. Once that happens he may change his mind, but until then there's likely very little to nothing you can do.
Offer them help. If they refuse, respect their rights, and move on.
What to do about it? I don't really know; software development is my gig so this is far outside my expertise. But from what I observe, prison as it currently is implemented doesn't work, and doing nothing isn't working either.
Given the right environment and help, I'd hope that some (many? most?) can transform themselves and become healthy or at least functional in society. Some options that seem to help: a 12-step program, CBT and other therapy, drugs, low-dose hallucinogens (LSD, mushrooms, etc.).
What I was referring to about rights is people have a right to do as they please as long as they are not infringing on other peoples' rights.
Rights also apply to legally competent adults. For people who are not legally competent, the state is empowered to make decisions and force it on them, though of course this is a dangerous tool.
It is strange that people have absolutely no problem banning camping in national parks but think it is a human right to do it in urban areas. Cities, in order to survive, need to enforce standards of behavior, and those who flaunt those standards need to be coerced into following them if there is to be a large number of people living in a small urban area.
Those are crimes. Nobody has the right to commit crimes.
They don't.
In my city subReddit I advocated for something that sounds similar; yes housing even for addicts who will shoot up in their new place. Got downvoted. Also people bitter that rent is unaffordable for them too and said no one is entitled to free or reduced rent, since they don't get that themselves. though kind of my point housing should be a human right produced by society to everyone without judgement.
I think there is a misguided paternalistic moral-crusading factor in the states that holds back things like housing first, harm reduction strategies & treatment.
The really sad thing is just building the housing would be cheaper than what we're doing currently. But as soon as the city proposes it the NIMBYs come out like a hurricane refusing to allow it.
Salt Lake City is an instructive example. They've made a huge impact on homelessness there with a housing centric strategy.
In Denver we have a hidden agenda ballot measure coming up that would allow residents to sue the city if they didn't clear out homeless camps in 72 hours, while also putting into law a maximum cap of only four outdoor homeless spaces (parking lots) - while allowing amenities like porta-potties!
Importantly the measure doesn't allocate money OR require these spaces. Just limits the max number the city can have ;(
funded by Republican PAC.
Oh and when a church tried to put one of the mini-camps in their parking lot in a nice neighborhood, the neighbors sued.
It would be so much cheaper just to continue buying old motels and building apartments. Give them the keys, try to help after that. Free & easy suboxone and immediate access to addiction/mental/health treatment if they want it. Naloxone on stand by with nurses in concentrated areas (e.g. an apartment block) would save a ton of money too, not to mention save lives...
https://www.denvervoice.org/archive/2021/7/14/dark-money-gro...
> As long as the homeless people have been offered help and are not harming others
So I don’t know why you’re giving examples where they are causing harm.
I don't care about their wishes, guided by drug addiction and mental health issues. To allow and enable this much squandering of human potential is a moral crime.
Get people clean of drugs, healthy, stable, and educated. By force, if needed. If from that baseline he decides to go back into a life of drugs and onto the streets, then so be it. But don't allow people to commit themselves to a slow death until they've been forced to step onto a better path and see what their life _could_ be.
Forcing people to take part in a society that has already rejected them and conform to someone else’s view of normal, healthy, stable, etc., that, to me, would be literal torture. I don’t consider it humane to torture people.
How do you feel about all the busywork jobs that enable so so much more squandering of human potential? Should all those folks be forced to live your version of their best life?
I guess I'll tell my drug addicted cousin he's all good because he's vulnerable.
You can be moral by being against the will of someone who's lost their way.
Who are you to decide what their ‘way’ is supposed to be to know they’re off it?
Some parents think their gay children have lost their way and force them into ‘treatment’.
I guess you think they’re wrong and shouldn’t be allowed to do that but you’re right and should be able to do what you want?
I don’t think there’s much different between the two and both are wrong.
I'm all for live and let be, but letting vagrancy fester and destroy cities where other people want to live is where I draw the line.
That you don't care about someone's wishes is deeply indicative of your own moral character -- or lack thereof. That we can't even agree to disagree turns my stomach a bit. I'm deeply disappointed, and you've made it very clear to me that I need to walk away from this "community".
So, my final thought will simply be this:
Silicon Valley and their enablers, through their arrogance, short sightedness, and dare I say.. general lack of humanity are creating a dystopian nightmare. In many places, that nightmare already exists in full force. That you don't or can't see it doesn't matter. It's well underway and it won't leave any of us untouched.
If I'm ever drug addicted and homeless, I want you to institutionalize me until I am clean and able to resume a normal life. I'm very confused by anyone who would want anything else for themselves.
That’s what you want again. Maybe consider what others want instead?
> I'm very confused by anyone who would want anything else
If you admit you're confused about what they want and why... leave them alone.
Society coalesced for a reason.
The problem is that there’s a long history of people labelling all sorts of things they don’t like as being a mental illness and using that as an excuse to use treatment as violence against them. We called homosexuality a mental illness until very recently and forced people to have violent treatment for it, for example.
It's time we reverted it.
About 10% of humans have been addicts across most cultures throughout most of recorded human history, and they desperately need help (even if they claim don't want it).
There should obviously be a ton of safeguards in place before committing someone against their will (e.g. 1 or 2 doctors should declare that the patient is unable to care for themselves and make rational decisions, assessment at regular intervals, ensuring the patient has the right to get a new doctor, etc.), but I don't think we'll be able to solve homelessness without it, because this is what we used to do differently prior to the homelessness epidemic, and this is what other nations have been doing.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterman%E2%80%93Petris%E2%...
one can wonder why this trait hasn't been selected out by now (or some trait managing it hasn't appeared).
what penalty is that for people who cannot pay any fines?
what was the ulterior motive?
Acceptance? If he's clean, groomed, not bothering people, and OK with is life as it is, maybe there is room for him in society.
I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that we all agree that "the homeless problem" should be solved, but we can't agree on what "the problem" is.
To some it's "I don't want to see and be bothered by homeless people"to others its "people are suffering needlessly" to others its "a wealthy nation like ours should be able to provide shelter to everyone" to others its some combination.
It's rare to hear a political plan to "solve homelessness" that addresses the people who want to be homeless.
See: https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/alexander-the-gr...
"ALEXANDER THE GRATE: So, one thing about food insecurity — everybody talks about that, but nobody mentions toilet insecurity. What comes in has got to go out, and that’s not readily . . . Before the Eisenhower Memorial, with a free restroom here — that’s back up by the resources by the way — the closest one to the area was at the Washington Monument, a mile away, basically."
So it's not as simple as homeless people don't want homes, it's because they want freedom.
Compare that to what's essentially minimal camping in the city, with no bears and plenty of quality food... You couldn't pay me enough to go to a shelter.
> How does society help someone with that view?
What do you mean by "help"? What's the problem?
This. Not only do I RARELY see a police officer in SF, but when I do, they look "beat down" or ambivalent. I'm sure years of police being the political "whipping boy" has taken its tole.
I think we see someone peeing on a car as less of an anti-social behavior than puritanical approaches to solving anti-social behavior that are more about punishment than rehabilitation. We are more upset that society wants to pay 70-100k a year to imprison people who likely have neurochemistry or behavioral problems, than to spend a fraction of that on solving the root problems instead of treating symptoms.
I've been in psych wards and rehabs. I would say close to three quarters of people in both institutions were capable of living a somewhat normal life, if they could get meaningful and stable assistance in dealing with their issues. The rest at least deserved a comfortable, safe place to live the best they could under full supervision. If you do any reading about state mental institutions in the US, you will understand they receive the exact opposite.
After my last psychotic episode I was pretty sure I would never be able to work again, but I still wanted to be independent if possible, even if that meant living in public housing and scraping by. I had already maxed out my SS benefits because I was productive up until that point, despite having undiagnosed mental illness and addiction problems. Of course I didn't have any savings and was relying on family.
At this point I had over 100k in hospital bills, thankfully almost completely paid by health insurance before I lost my job. That included multiple hospital visits, trips to psych wards, and visits to rehab. My family had saved paperwork for all of it, and I had two different psychiatrists who agreed I may never be able to work again.
I was told point blank by every single person I talked to, from the non-profits (who were totally worthless), to the disability lawyers I called, to the disability processing agents that it would be at least two years before I had a chance at receiving a dime. So I stayed with family for many months, they paid for my mental health care, and eventually I got on the right meds and I can now work again. My economic privilege is probably the only reason I am not on the streets or dead.
As a society, our expectation is that someone with a mental illness is going to take on that bureaucracy while they are in the most difficult period of their illness in order to get better. And if they display anti-social behavior, what do we do? We imprison them. Some of my behavior during my psychotic episode was violent. I am lucky I was not beat or shot, by a stranger or by the police.
The whole point of my rambling is that I hope we can consider the history of the person that is displaying anti-social behaviors. Some of the smartest, kindest, and most ingenious hackers of every stripe I have ever met were in rehab and in psych wards, but only after they had been stabilized by meds or sobriety. Before they returned, they were different, sometimes scary people.
There is so much potential being wasted, and so much low hanging fruit to help them rehabilitate and give back to society. Even from a purely economical perspective, I think it makes sense to overhaul our safety net so it catches people as early as it can. It serves individual rights, makes efficient use of our collective wealth, and I think it's the right thing to do.
Regarding my original comment, for the most part I am not personally angry with those who are exhibiting the antisocial behavior, with the exception of the violent ones or those who make a habit of stealing from others to support a drug habit. Even the latter I can drum up some sympathy for, although it’s limited. That being said, I am angry that nothing is being done to separate the people who can’t or won’t behave decently in public from those who do. That isn’t fair to those who are willing and able to follow the basic principles and tenants of society. Children deserve to be able to play on a playground without having to worry about stepping on a used needle; something that they can’t currently do in some neighborhoods of the city I live in because the city government is too paralyzed with the fear of our activist community and lawsuits that they won’t evict the homeless camps that have set up shop there. That’s not okay. Neither is the open air chop shop that took over a local dog park. I could go on and on and on with examples like this, but I think my point is pretty clear.
I agree with you about the need to overhaul our safety net. To me it’s an imperative along the same order of importance as responding meaningfully to climate change. I found out recently that a shocking number of foster children become homeless after they turn 18. As I’m sure you know, that’s just one group that isn’t properly cared for under our current system. Sweeping and meaningful change is badly needed, and it’s needed right now.
And yet, outside the West Coast, this is barely a topic of discussion. It’s not on the agenda for either of the national political parties in any meaningful way. For that to happen, people need to get angry. But when people do get angry - say about a person peeing on their car - they often get shut down by well meaning, empathetic people. I see that as a problem. I feel that it’s entirely appropriate to be angry about the situation we find ourselves in, and to allow that anger to build, and to let the people in our government who are currently abdicating their duties to feel it, so they feel motivated to change.
No arrest, likely no jail time, just ~$20 in court costs plus whatever fine the judge imposes.
You mean in exchange for living in a city with high paying tech jobs?
Here’s some enjoyable reading for those with a few minutes to spare: http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist1/early.html
To me the confluence of cultures, like the brackish waters of the bay, are it’s hallmark. The issues around sudden wealth, excess, limited housing, and visionary governance seem to be more about the place than a particular moment.
So according to people voting with their feet: no, San Francisco was not a brilliant place before tech. Or at least it wasn't brilliant enough to attract a net increase in population.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/24/business/a-city-takes-a-b...
But so was San Jose. Apparently the "downtown" was boarded up in many places till the late 90s when it began emerging from a mini-Detroit like state. MacEnary was feverishly trying to resuscitate it, I don't think it was his effort so much as it was tech to the rescue, else it would have been an Albukerke.
In SF in the 1980s, SOMA was one of the cheapest places even in a cheap city like SF... lost of broke creative types living in old warehouse/industrial space that would otherwise be going derelict.
In lower Manhattan whole neighborhoods were in a similar state -- bohemian artists occupying loads of space that nobody else would touch.
And in London plenty of neighborhoods were full of squats. Housing stock had become so worthless that it wasn't even worth the effort to prevent people living there for free.
Now those same neighborhoods are among the most expensive urban areas in the English-speaking world. People are literally spending millions of dollars to live at those exact same street addresses... in some cases even living in the same structures, just instead of a half-derelict warehouse it'll now be all marble countertops and the like.
All of these places have their own stories and unique factors, but it's also very remarkable how similar the trajectories and how extreme the swing has been.
'I will walk through a pile of shit before my money is used for you to shit somewhere else you lazy fuck'
I was attacked by a disturbed man who chased and pulled a (probably fake) gun on me, but no piles of shit whatsoever!
There are few and dwindling public bathrooms to the point where gig workers struggle to find facilities[1] while they're out there doing critical work. Rich NIMBYs believe that bathrooms (and not the sky-high rents they seek) encourage people to become homeless, so they've successfully shut down the emergency facilities opened up during the pandemic[2].
1. https://www.vice.com/en/article/884xyp/gig-workers-have-nowh...
2. https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/San-Franc...
Speaking from experience of daily driving through Tenderloin.
FWIW I blame systemic problems not the individuals responsible. But the problem was viscerally apparent to me.
http://www.abcbusinessnews.com/2019/04/behold-the-shit-map-m...
I reported some shit for the city to clean up. They never cleaned it up. It just sat there for weeks decaying. After weeks, there was only a little bit left... probably ended up on someone's shoe.
Early in the pandemic, the city looked worse. Now it looks somewhat cleaner but still depopulated.
There are some tourists but surprisingly many of the people walking around at Bay Area locals. The tourists are still so few that you can recognize them upon seeing them again.
As an example, the city of Reykjavík has 23 representatives in the city council. They are voted proportionally from parties represented distinct views. San Francisco board of supervisors have 11 members, less then half of Reykjavík’s despite having more then 6 times the population. ~And to make it worse, each member is voted on a first past the post system.~ [Edit: Not true as pointed out in a comment]
The San Francisco mayor is voted in a separate election and is not on the board of supervisors. Since this is a position where a lot of political capital is to be gained it is often used as an opportunity for a politician seeking a career, rather then as a passive position willing to let diverse opinions and find consensus among differing views.
None of this is voter’s fault. Rather there is a systemic problem which can only be fixed by the people who are benefiting from the status quo.
That's not actually true, we use RCV to elect supervisors (and the mayor).
This is really key, and should be a bigger topic of discussion in mainstream political philosophy. Governments that purport to be democracies ought to be responsible for aligning policies and outcomes with the preferences of the electorate. It's far too common for people to dismiss literally any problem in an ostensibly democratic jurisdiction as "well that's what the people voted for," as if the only end goal of a government is to pass some bare minimum threshold of being considered a "democracy" and the rest of the responsibility is on the electorate.
Just because we have a black female mayor does not mean the real racism of SF is gone, just as electing Obama did not miraculously cure the US if it’s racism.
I don't agree that they have been "ethnically cleansed." I'm sure economics has forced some out.
I've live in many parts of the country, and this is by far the least racist, and most racially diverse, place I've lived.
Black men in the city would be expected to have a lower life span than black men nationwide, since urban black neighborhood are more prone to drugs and gangs. Have you compared to other big cities, as opposed to just nationwide?
San Francisco also has a disproportionately low amount of black folks living there.
If that's "diverse" and "beautiful" then I'd hate to think what "monocultural" and "dull" looks like...
This is not accurate. The Sunset, Richmond, Parkside, Presidio, Marina, and many other parts of the city are very clean (or at least not notably dirty for a city). Perhaps the Marina/Presidio could be called tourist areas but the Sunset and Richmond certainly are not.
Richmond is not in SF city.
Presidio is right next to the pier and thus I would consider it a "touristy area".
You're living under a (perhaps bejeweled) rock if you've lived in SF and never seen human shit, someone peeing between some cars, dead animals, homeless literally everywhere, disheveled buildings, trash piles lining the gutters, etc.
I never claimed that these problems don't exist, but the idea that they're part of life in every part of the city is simply false.
Poster you’re replying to isn’t wrong, just as you aren’t.
Also many of the highest ranking schools are in the Sunset, and house prices there are very much on the high side (compared to, say, around Portola)
You're dodging the argument at this point.
The merchant who has been running the shop below my place longer than I have been alive (and I'm OLD by HN standards) put it this way: The Castro is dying.
Maybe there are neighborhoods changing for the better somewhere to balance it out, but I kinda doubt it. The change is real.
Whenever I visit SF I run into someone who looks like an extra from a zombie movie every time, without fail. Sometimes they "violently beg" by lunging at your feet as you walk past. Scream obscenities. Offer stolen goods at red lights. And if you somehow don't see them you can certainly smell them.
Just because we collectively got desensitized doesn't make all this OK.
Working in Manhattan many years later, I expected much the same arriving for the first time, but surprisingly wasn't so. What the hell are they doing wrong there? This article says much.
Manhattan's answer is because of Giuliani's authoritarian mayoral reign. Cleanliness came at a cost of mass arrests and evictions of the homelessness, restrictions on shelters, and stop-and-frisk. Probably not a price that S.F. is willing to pay.
a few years ago? definitely not.
today? possibly. people are getting really fed up
- yes, there's human feces and needles and tent cities in the Tenderloin/SOMA area
- Painted Ladies is an old-ass building, as is much of the residential sprawl around it
- Fishermans Wharf is a textbook tourist trap
- there's a ton of nice forest-y areas (Presidio, Glen Canyon, Stern Grove, etc)
- Sea cliff area is textbook rich person neighbourhood
- Financial district actually looks like a modern metropolis
Picking one facet and ignoring the rest is... cherrypicky.
Didn’t a family just get held up at gunpoint while washing their car near Bernal Heights?
Not cherry picking.
I love the hills. Walk up 10 minutes from tenderloin (worst part of the city) and you are on Russian hill. Almost never see homeless there, just 5 start hotels. (In fact this seems to be true of most areas of the city, walk up any hill and there are almost no homeless, they are for the most part too lazy to do it). From there you can see the bay on one side. Just a beautiful view.
Nearby from Russian hill is the biggest Chinatown in the US. Walk 5 blocks into Chinatown and you are in a different world. 95% Chinese people, no Chinese in the grocery stores and food that I have no idea what it is.
I can have a drink and smoke a joint with some friends in the park and no one cares. Where I live now I would be immediately have the cops called and arrested. Speaking of parks, I love golden gate park. It is huge and on the other side you are at the ocean.
Most of the people I have found to be far friendlier than on the east coast. Maybe I am a bit on the spectrum but people in SF don't care. Or maybe it is some other reason. But when I lived in SF I made friends way more easily. Also went on a lot more dates. For me I would be happier to move back to SF and complain about the rent and the homeless than live on the east coast and commute to my soulless suburban office park.
"By the 2020s, those without employment, as well as those with mental problems, were moved into the Sanctuary Districts, which would later become no better than slums."
> In 2017 Portland ranked third. Now it has dropped to 66th out of 80.
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/06/12/portland-...
Democrats need to get to the bottom of which policies caused the west coast to all simultaneously degrade. May be we should look at other democratic cities and some republican cities and adopt their policies.
Let's start with criticizing our own policies. By pointing fingers, it ain't gonna solve itself.
Beyond that, though, there’s a whole complex web of other causes that have converged at this moment in time. These include:
- A massive meth epidemic, which in turn fuels an epidemic in theft and visible mental illness. - Ditto for the opioid epidemic. - Inadequate mental healthcare, especially inpatient services. - Laws and case precedent that makes involuntary commitment of the mentally ill next to impossible. - The Martin v. Boise ruling, which disallows police from stopping people from camping in public if there isn’t a viable alternative, such as shelter space. - An extremely vocal activist community that will fight tooth and nail against anything they perceive to be “the man” or “the system” committing anything they perceive to be “injustice” against anyone they consider to be “the downtrodden”. Often these are reasonable things, like sweeping a homeless camp that is openly using intravenous drugs from a public park or the playground of an elementary school. - Police that avoid anything that could draw the ire of the activist community, or draw condemnation from city leadership. In practice this works out to be just about everything you would normally expect the police to do. - A populace with a strong sense of learned helplessness who won’t even bother to call the police because they know the police won’t come anyhow. - A culture that disincentives people from speaking out about social problems, except when blaming systemic causes, for fear of being perceived to be conservative.
Edit:
On top of all that, you also have the systemic stuff, like:
- Severe lack of affordable housing with massively inadequate government intervention. - Everything that COVID brought. - Police that run the gamut from exemplary to active white nationalists.
Each of those feeds and is fed by all of the others.
Other than car crime, other forms of violent crime in SF are mostly non-existent and rare statical anomalies.
I'll happily take a smaller paycheck if that means I don't have to constantly watch my back.
That is mind boggling to Americans outside of SF though. That’s the equivalent of telling people not to “dress slutty” if they don’t want to be raped.
So crime against your car and your person are two completely different things so I don't think it's equivalent at all. Also I am not "less free" because I don't have a car, everything I would do in my life with one I do with more expensive services. If I needed a car I would get one and deal with car crime in other way, maybe moving to another city, maybe organizing a militia to defend cars. By not dressing however you want because of fear you are giving away something.
While it all depends on your values, it's very walkable for a US city, relatively safe, and has mild weather. Homelessness is of course an issue as it is for most west coast cities.
In the US, I find you either live in a place where you can ignore these problems (e.g. car-centric cities, suburbs, gated communities, etc.) or you live amongst it. In SF, both trade-offs exist—you can live somewhere like Soma, or you can live somewhere like the Outer Sunset. Depending on where you choose to live, you can have a very different experience of SF.
I firmly agree the SF government isn't great and probably won't be here long term because of its various problems, but I'm still glad I moved here to launch my career.
I mean, that's basically just saying "lalala can't hear ya". The entire point of calling SF dysfunctional is that a significant number of people in those areas (and others) are on the streets without access to needed psychiatric help and other basic needs. As a result, there's so much petty crime going unreported that any statistics on the matter are bogus.
FWIW, I've personally witnessed theft in inner Richmond - one of the nicer areas - and I know that it's an issue all the way out to the Safeway by Ocean Beach (I used to live in front of it and there were cops posted at the door all the time, and recently I've spotted tents in the parking lot)
With that said, I don't think the property crime argument is being exaggerated at all. I have another comment highlighting my experience having lived in SF, Toronto and Sao Paulo (Brazil). I've also lived briefly in Brisbane (Australia). Nowhere else have I personally witnessed so much property crime as I have in SF.
California created the "ballot proposition system" which causes the ballot measure to become part of the California constitution because the state political system has ALWAYS been corrupt and dysfunctional! The system was created in 1856!!! Just 6 years after becoming a state - so FU in its very origins. Because politicians could NOT be trusted to be honest or civilly reliable to the mission of the state!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_ballot_proposition
As historical precedent has shown, most California politicians are still corrupt and dysfunctional ALL the time.
So after 165 years, why is anyone surprised or even posing the question??? It's baked into California history and norms!
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/checks-and-balance-bay...
I have the opposite view. In SF, your risk of the following occurring is non-negligible and in some cases, shockingly quite likely:
- Being mugged/robbed
- Having your car broken into
- Being harangued or even assaulted by someone who is mentally ill and/or under the influence
- Witnessing public urination, defecation, drug use and grab and go retail theft
- Stepping in human feces
I don't see how a place where these things occur on a regular basis, and where, in most cases, such crimes are not investigated and prosecuted, could ever be considered "not a bad place to live".2000 years ago humans realized people shitting in random places was bad and needed to be solved. And it was.
And now we have people saying human shit on the sidewalks is “not a problem”.
Mainly it's the hills. Hard to be homeless and hike up the castro hill. Same with why Bernal is so clean.
But anywhere in Mission or along Market gets pretty sketch.
Yes, some parts of the city definitely have it worse than others, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss these issues on the basis that there are small residential enclaves that are less affected.
If you want to enjoy SF's restaurant scene, nightlife, hiking, etc., you will inevitably have to go to areas where this crime is rampant. And this crime should not be happening in an American city, let alone one that is so rich.
Sure, you get better at dodging feces and ignoring the drug use, littering, and theft, but let's not pretend it's confined to "downtown, the tenderloin, soma, etc".
I've lived and worked in Manhattan and DC, and spent time in many international cities. I've walked all over all of them, and never felt less safe than I regularly did walking to work in soma.
SF has a unique political situation, a climate that makes homelessness "bearable" and a huge number of absentee landlords (thanks, Prop 13).
We were sad to move out in January. SF is a gorgeous city filled with kind, interesting people. "Horrible dystopia" is certainly an exaggeration, but the situation is bad and has gotten much worse in the past few years.
880 had cardboard cities up and down it; my morning walk for coffee had 3-4 “regulars” living along it with frequent homeless transients.
Many neighborhoods full of Multi-million dollar properties that looked, and felt, like unmaintained slums.
The societal decay of SF extends through the entire Bay Area; certainly extends outside of its “tourist” centers.
SF is "not bad" in the sense that you won't get shot in the face. It is however quite bad in the sense that the amount of petty crime is so off the charts that you can't even compile accurate statistics because security personnel at retail stores don't even bother reporting it anymore.
A few months ago, I witnessed another theft in inner Richmond (one of the nicer neighbourhoods), the security guy did a half-ass attempt at running after the guy but gave up and came towards the customer support desk I was at. I asked if that was common, and the security guy literally just shrugs.
I've lived in NYC for ~9 years and that's never happened to me.
It was genuinely shocking and very worrying.
You're lucky (and not that I want to intentionally bring up this card, but I bet you're a burly caucasian male). I saw a guy jump over the Bart ticket gate on literally my first night in SF. I've witnessed multiple retail theft incidents. I've been spat on, literally out of nowhere. A coworker had his garage broken into and a bike stolen. Another mentioned a friend whose backpack was snatched. (All asians)
> It is a community where people build their lives and deserves love and support.
This comes across as an empty platitude. One can say that about literally anywhere, even a place like Kabul. For me, SF is markedly different from other places I've lived, and if we were talking in terms of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it doesn't score very well.
Stop this. I'm a non-burly non-caucasian male and this (being mugged, robbed, or undergoing physical violence) has never happened to me even once. Maybe you're unlucky? Drawing from your personal anecdotes gets tiring.
> I've witnessed multiple retail theft incidents. I've been spat on, literally out of nowhere.
I've seen this in SF. I've also seen it in LA, Dallas, Houston, Salt Lake City, and Chicago. I've seen it in NYC also, but not in Manhattan. The difference is that in most other big cities in the US, everyone drives around everywhere, so you're insulated from the folks on the street, or you clearly know which neighborhoods to avoid.
> A coworker had his garage broken into and a bike stolen. Another mentioned a friend whose backpack was snatched. (All asians)
A garage is race-blind, come on. I've lived in a house full of East Asians in the Sunset and this never happened to me. I lived in SOMA with caucasians and this happened to me (well us, nothing of mine was stolen).
I think what you're seeing is that SF is physically a lot less class-segregated than other US cities and that folks drive around here a lot less than they do in other cities. In LA, the crazies mostly hang around Skid Row and the Arts District and if you spend most of your life outside these places (or in a car, as Angelenos are won't to do) you'll never encounter them. In Chicago if you stick to the Loop and downtown. you'll only see gleaming apartments. In Houston, Austin, and much of Salt Lake City (and honestly almost everyone in LA), most everyone just zooms around in a car and only interacts with the homeless or panhandlers as they drive around. As such most affluent folks know to avoid low-income or run-down neighborhoods and so never really interact with the homeless.
In SF you can walk down Valencia between 17th and 22nd and it'll look shiny and fancy, like something out of a promotional poster about "Modern Living". Then you walk a block over to Guerrero and you'll see someone with scabs all over lying on the street naked. You walk down 7th or 8th and see fancy new cafes, but then you walk down 6th and see folks shooting up in broad daylight. Some of this is SF's more tolerant atmosphere for the mentally-ill homeless; in other cities they just get harassed until they accumulate in a part of town that doesn't have the residents, police funding, or political capital to push them out.
I'm not saying SF is a bed of roses and I do think the police here need to take a much harder line on property crime, but I think a lot of the negative experiences here are motivated by SF's lack of physical segregation and its walking-first culture. America has historically just relegated the poor and homeless to the streets and used cars to literally and figuratively zoom away from them. Now that cities are coming back into vogue, the US will have to confront the fact that it never fixed its poverty problem but just shoved it out of sight.
Perhaps that says more about the impact of high crime stats on real people than my individual luck. The reality remains that various forms of crime are deeply intertwined with various forms of inequality (be it correlation between race/gender/etc and violence/harrassment, or geographic segregation and property crime)
I've lived in Toronto and Sao Paulo, so I have quite a bit of perspective on how far the crime-o-meter range stretches. Even if I did accept that my experience in SF was some sort of freaky statistical anomaly (and I don't, since even y'all "lucky" folks acknowledge being victims of break-ins), that can't fully explain why my volume of bad experiences in SF is so much higher than that of living near a huge slum in a 3rd world city with a ridiculously high crime rate.
Objectively speaking, "it's not so bad" my ass :)
If you think Sao Paulo is a 3rd world city, then I don't know what you'd bin Naypyidaw or Monrovia into. 4th world maybe?
You'd probably enjoy living in a South Bay suburb. There's lots of pockets of different races and you'd never have to meet anyone outside of that community and you'd have total local control of police response and other things. Crime rates are low and cultural values are homogeneous in the community.
The "3rd world" denomination is not something I came up with, and I certainly don't want to be the one drawing more classist lines as some attempt to distance myself from folks in Liberia or Myanmar or Afghanistan or whatever, as I'm sure they're already going through enough crap as is.
South Bay is, as far as I can tell (I only lived there for a few months), quintessential North American suburbia. It's not that different from Toronto suburbia, to be honest; my wife wants to move to South Bay if we end up settling around these parts. The house prices though :/
I have no idea how dysfunctional the local city government is in this case, but there are things going on here beyond its control. It's not fair or reasonable to act like the condition the city is in is entirely due to local government stuff.
> As the data shows us, most of the homeless people you pass on the streets every day are in fact Californians.
> Less than a fifth (18 percent) said they had lived out of state before becoming homeless.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/homeless-population.ht...
Everytime this argument has been brought up, instead of owning to the responsibility of causing homelessness, Californians love to point out how kind they are to homeless and how they're a "dumping ground" for homelessness. It is a cop out.
https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2019HIRDRep...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...
If they just wanted to get rid of people they wouldn't worry about any of that.
Outside of the scope of the article, there are unofficial deportations that would not have a delineated process and wouldn't be reported.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...
But I think saying no mayor hasn't been re-elected in 20 years isn't remotely unique to SF. Guiliani was re-elected, and so was Bloomberg, and so was the widely despised de Blasio. Politicians generally get re-elected everywhere. Further, it's misleading to say that Democrats always win. SF elections are often hotly contested between the dominant political factions of "moderate" and "progressive" (although those labels are always changing meaning), even if it's Democrat vs Democrat. Some candidates are law and order, and some are anti-capitalist. There is plenty of political competition in SF - which brings me to my next point.
I think it's wishful thinking to say that a "Bloomberg-type figure" would solve all these problems. The mayor doesn't have the power to solve these problems. In fact, that's one of the (many) root causes of SF's problems - in order to make progress on all the problems listed in the article, you'd need to pass ballot propositions, change most of the Board of Supervisors, elect a different school board, elect a new mayor, and change some state laws like CEQA too. The real problem is that power is too diffuse, which encourages corruption by encouraging everyone to demand concessions before any reform can be made. It also means that candidates have to run promising things they can't deliver, or things they can deliver that don't solve the city's biggest problems. That, in turn, trains the public to expect even less of their representatives.
I think another factor is that NYC's government controls much more of its metro area than SF's government does. If the Bay Area had a governmental body that covered the whole region, they'd be able to pass broader laws that, for example, funded transit across city borders. Today, most laws like that have to be passed at the state level instead, and the state is split between many metro areas so it doesn't bother to address Bay Area-specific problems.
I beg to differ: the political Overton window in SF is almost comically small. A Bloomberg-type figure is impossible because no big businessman could get elected dogcatcher in SF. And a Giuliani-type figure is even more out of the question. “Republican” is only a slightly more acceptable epithet than “pedophile” in SF, and in some quarters, the latter is probably viewed with less suspicion.
I moved to the SF Bay area from NYC 4 years ago and I routinely tell my friends that you need to watch out for human, not animal, feces on the street.
It's really sad to see people who are employed that are still homeless and have to deal with mental issues :(
The Federal Government estimates that about 0.4% of Californians were homeless in 2020. From what I've seen on the streets the numbers are probably a little worse now.
[1] https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2020/11/15/la-fondati...
--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_ra...
The list of countries by incarceration rate is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera....
About 5% of people in the US go to prison at some point, 9% for males, 16% for Hispanic males, and 29% for black males. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdf
"About one-quarter of U.S. adults report having a mental health diagnosis such as anxiety or depression or experiencing emotional distress. This is one of the highest rates among 11 high-income countries. ... The United States has some of the worst mental health–related outcomes, including the highest suicide rate and second-highest drug-related death rate."
--https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...
And of course, "Approximately 80 percent of the global opioid supply is consumed in the United States".
-- https://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/27/americans-consume-almost-all...
The article touches on why that won’t happen though. Voter demographics won’t allow that. It’s either radical and young liberals which would go for every insane policy or the old and entrenched.
San Francisco was this way since forever. The poor have been systematically corralled into the Tenderloin for over 100 years. The divisions between neighborhoods elsewhere were why San Francisco was always considered so "charming"--you could cross the street and enter an entirely different world.
Setting aside the tremendous increase in drug abuse and homelessness, it's the tearing down of those virtual fences, especially around the Tenderloin, that is really causing people to freak out. It's just that their freak outs are coded in the language of social activism. Excepting the Tenderloin, every other part of San Francisco has become systematically homogenized, not to mention seen increased wealth.
In addition, the wealthy of San Francisco live in giant single family homes. It’s not a big skyscraper culture.
Also what "gleaming towers"? We have, like... 5 of those in the entire city? Most residential stock is low-rise or SFH, and the rich certainly mostly live in the latter (see: Pacific Heights and parts of the Sunset).
I'll be the first to not only admit, but scream, that SF has a ton of problems, but you have not characterized them correctly at all.
It's got problems (rise in homelessness & property crimes and the Tenderloin is as bad as its ever been re: drugs), but the gap between "big city problems" and "monstrous dystopia" is about as wide as the bay itself.
There are homeless in several parts of the city, yes, but those parts are easy to avoid if that's your inclination.
San Francisco is a very liberal city, and with that comes compassion for the less fortunate. Because the Constitution says anyone can move about anywhere in the US, that means that a lot of those unlucky end up here because it is better than living in a conservative city where there are less activists looking out for their interests. San Francisco doesn't create homeless people faster than other cities, but it does attract them, simply because compassion isn't spread evenly across the country.
I'm not convinced it is as dysfunctional as the article states. And I'm very happy I don't live where people are screaming at other people because those people are (god forbid) wearing masks. All of the partisan hatred and vitriol that has consumed so much of the country hasn't really hit us here. At least not among ourselves.
You’re joking right? If by easy to avoid you mean do not go outside. A friend lives in a very nice neighborhood in a beautiful home in SF. A block away while walking to my car there was a half naked man rambling to himself in the bushes. It is ubiquitous unless you mentally block it out.
San Francisco is what New York City would be like if it only had the UWS, Village, and Wall Street/Midtown.
To put another way, if the Bay area had been unified a century ago as "San Francisco" including the Peninsula and East Bay, things wouldn't be so dysfunctional there. Heck, just the Peninsula would be sufficient.
San Francisco doesn't have anything like that. As the article discusses, the middle class has been fleeing San Francisco for decades. it's never going to elect a Bloomberg, let alone a Giuliani.
The city of Indianapolis years ago merged itself with its surrounding county, to unify city and suburbs. This was instigated by the Republican suburban leadership so that the metro region would remain under Republican control. Indianapolis has been a more politically moderate city than peers as a result.
It kind of helps that it isn't one big city. It forces the cities to compete and makes the democracy more direct and participatory. It also limits the blast radius of bad decisions.
Also, because of the greater percentage of kids, the parents often vote based on what is best for their kids.
The issues are much more mundane. Better roads, funding for schools, etc...
You don't need a large city to coordinate transportation. By that logic, the whole Bay Area should be one city.
After all, you have BART running to the East Bay, South Bay, and a tiny part of the Peninsula.
The proximal problem is that the SF government is too inefficient and slow. BART is actually more efficient than SF is at building stations.
Why would you want drag more SF politics into something that runs better than it?
Even travel down the Peninsula is extended because of the linearity of the Peninsula (you travel up and down it).
It makes more sense for there to be regional centers. Develop Oakland. Develop San Jose even more. Maybe turn Hayward into a regional hub (fat chance but the geography is interesting). San Mateo is growing for a reason.
Hook the centers together with fast regional point to point transit. There should be no stop trains between SF, San Mateo, San Jose, Oakland, and Hayward.
It is all incredibly obvious if you look at a map. It is all driven by geography.
This is also the reason that Mountain View and Fremont have grown rapidly. Just look at the map. Maybe add them as regional centers.
I love the characterization of the neighborhood as "troubled" like it was an accident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrific_Street#Demise
(Thank you for the link, though; I had never heard of Terrific Street, and I'm always curious to learn something new about the city's history.)
Something tells me the troubles in the Tenderloin today are not related.
> As it is, the city has been safely Democratic for 40 years and seems allergic to choosing a Bloomberg-type figure from one of the big tech companies to try something different.
So it is the voters fault, I guess. And specifically, the voters fault for not electing a conservative enough of a mayor.
This is a trash article. And is more of a partisan propaganda piece then actual news.
Vote in non-corrupt officials who are willing to clean house and you start to make a dint in the problem. Ideology is irrelevant as a qualification for the candidate. The fact that they choose largey based on ideology rather than integrity is the problem.
Also—at the risk of Godwin’s law—historians usually don’t blame the German voters for the horrors of the Nazi regime, even though it was democratically elected, they blame the Nazis them self. As a current example, voters are not blamed for the current climate crises, even though politicians are.
Also, you can also put forth the hypothesis that voters in all those cities are to blame.
That isn't my hypothesis by the way.
SF voters don't want to send so many people to prison. Yes, that means that criminals and the homeless have more freedom than in other cities. But SF voters feel that the US prison and "justice" systems are too immoral to implement in SF.
SF voters also want to keep low-rise housing and prevent making it easier to change neighborhoods by adding housing. Of course, this also has the bad tradeoff of over-constraining supply, leading to ridiculous housing costs. But this tradeoff is a response to plowing highways through and dumping toxic waste in poor neighborhood.
So yeah, if you hate these tradeoffs, then you'll also feel that SF is dysfunctional. Thanks Economist for your un-insightful article.