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Judge strips unvaccinated mother of her visitation rights

arstechnica.com

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Did I miss a detail or something ? Because this seems insane and I'm a liberal that is vaxxed.

Also didn't see anything specifically justifying the specific case in the article, no.

You likely opened the article just a few minutes before this detail was added;

>Update 1 pm EDT: Cook County Judge James Shapiro has reversed his earlier decision and is now allowing an unvaccinated mother to see her son in person. “Judge Shapiro just issued an order vacating portions of his prior order of August 11th so Rebecca Firlit can see her son again,” Annette Fernholz, Firlit’s attorney, told WFLD0.

Side note, it seems like anything COVID related on HN attracts a lot of green accounts.

> Side note, it seems like anything COVID related on HN attracts a lot of green accounts.

(waves hand) Those are not the paid trolls you are looking for, it is well known those are only found in Russia.

That's one explanation.

Maybe people also use green accounts because they don't wanna end up on the white houses "disinformation lists", particularly when reading on such an article as this.

Another of my answers under this news article got flagged in less than 2 minutes, even though it was only a sarcastic couple of sentences about first accusing the wrong people then ignoring the lessons of history.

Ironic...

>because they don't wanna end up on the white houses "disinformation lists", particularly when reading on such an article

This kind of tinfoil mindset is generally pointless clutter in a considerate discussion, so it makes sense it is flagged quckly.

>it was only a sarcastic couple of sentences

Sarcasm is almost invariably worthless clutter, regardless of the subject of discussion. I always refer to A Separate Peace, "As I said, this was my sarcastic summer. It was only long after that I recognized sarcasm as the protest of people who are weak."

And the weak needn't be given any voice.

I don't think the phrasing of Knowles' quote translates 1:1 from the context of the book to contemporary debate, but I think sarcasm is a frequent tool of a weak argument.

Deferring to quotes is frequently the tool of a weak argument. In fact I would argue virtually every linguistic device has frequently been used in weak argument.

Sure, but in this case I'm just adding the reference alongside a pretty simple point: Employing sarcasm in hackernews discussions is very seldom valuable and often is not respecting the community guidelines.[0] It was worthwhile to clarify I am not quoting Knowles word for word as contemporary gospel, but the semantics aren't really relevant. Point is, user was downvoted because a "sarcastic couple of sentences" have no intrinsic worth for this discussion, not because of anything conspiratorial.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>user was downvoted because a "sarcastic couple of sentences"

I read the rules. Looks like you didn't: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." [0]

Conspicuously absent from document [0] is the word "sarcasm."

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I didn't refer to voting in my own comment, but maybe it would have been better not to engage the discussion any further with the user who had been flagged, since that engaged a discussion related to how their comments were flagged.

Regardless, I am going to stop replying now - we are ourselves cluttering the discussion with a pointless quibble.

>Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine.

Cheers.

I thought we were having a curious conversation.

>Regardless, I am going to stop replying now

You'll be sorely missed.

I was not downvoted, I was flagged and removed.

Yes I'm not sure why that statement was made by mustacheemperor, particularly since it was both a lie and a violation of the rules of the website. That individual really should have been flagged and removed, not you.

white house disinformation list? I mean at least get your conspiracy theories right, it's the NSA, and it's not a list, it's a database.

I was refering to the white house spokesperson's Jen Psaki's comments a couple of weeks ago.

But yeah, you are right, alongside the databases of a couple "private public partnership" homeland security dept's contractors.

A question for you in regards to the subject of the US security apparatus : is it really still "theories" at this point ? Maybe are we starting to talk semi-founded allegations now, no ?

This is messed up, even if the judge later reversed some of his order. If the order was "You must see your son outdoors and masked" or something like that it would make sense, but these just seems like megalomania.

Messed up indeed, I have to wonder if it's a strategy though, overstep, then walk it back to seem reasonable...

It is a strategy. They're moving the Overton window.

The most disgusting part of this story is that the highest rated comments on the article all support this authoritarianism.

Yes. Ars the publication is great, consistently producing excellent content. But somehow its community has become disturbing.

(Not just for this article or topic; pick any not-purely-technical Ars article, and you'll find upvoted comments like on this one.)

Note the update at the site, which the thread title can be amended to reflect:

Update 1 pm EDT: Cook County Judge James Shapiro has reversed his earlier decision and is now allowing an unvaccinated mother to see her son in person. “Judge Shapiro just issued an order vacating portions of his prior order of August 11th so Rebecca Firlit can see her son again,” Annette Fernholz, Firlit’s attorney, told WFLD.

Submit to unwanted bodily penetration by government decree, or lose access to your children. All Amish children should be wards of the state.

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