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AnIdiotOnTheNet

> You've made 4 posts bashing on Linux with more complaints about supposedly being attacked than actual substance about why you don't like Linux.

I have repeatedly complained about Windows[0] in this thread, and the very second I mention not liking Linux people really seem to want to recommend me Linux distros or ask me to tell them why. I have never seen anyone do this for any reason other than performative argumentation.

> At any rate, I would be genuinely curious to hear what specifically you don't like about Linux beyond tautological statements like not liking its paradigms and calling package management "stupid" without any supporting rationale.

I don't even need supporting rationale for an opinion. I could say I don't like any of the distro logos and that would still be a perfectly valid reason not to want to use Linux. At least in a sane world it would, but Linux users apparently have some bug up their ass about needing everyone to agree with them about how great it is.

[0] With great hostility and in the context of expecting it to eventually drive me to use Linux

> I could say I don't like any of the distro logos and that would still be a perfectly valid reason not to want to use Linux

It's not perfectly valid if the purpose is to have a discussion that's meaningful to other people who don't have your exact set of preferences and pecadilloes. Saying you don't like a logo isn't a useful piece of information because for 99% of people that's not going to be a reason to use or not use a piece of software. Either you don't realize that or you're being willfully combative for its own sake.

> It's not perfectly valid if the purpose is to have a discussion that's meaningful to other people who don't have your exact set of preferences and pecadilloes.

I don't see how what other people find meaningful has any bearing at all on whether or not I want to run Linux. Remember, before everyone crawled out of the woodwork to talk about Linux in this 'fuck Windows 11' thread I only said this:

> Don't get me wrong, I have plenty to complain about in Linux too which is why I'm still on Windows

An offhand remark about not liking Linux is apparently an open invitation for every evangelical Linux desktop asshole to berate me until I give them arguments to attack.

> Saying you don't like a logo isn't a useful piece of information because for 99% of people that's not going to be a reason to use or not use a piece of software.

By that reasoning everyone talking about privacy and security in regards to their choice of Linux should shut the hell up too because the market is pretty clear it doesn't care.

This whole "blah blah blah other people blah blah blah 99% blah blah" is what I mean by performative argumentation. It isn't about my preferences, which are really all that matters when it comes to what I should choose to run, it's about putting on a show for other people, evangelising and advertising your favorite OS.

I agree with your assessment that folks should stop bashing on you for your unpopular opinion.

I happen to disagree with that opinion. However, it makes no difference to me whether you run Linux or Windows (or CP/M, RSX-11 or AmigaOS for that matter) as your daily driver.

It's both rude and obnoxious to pound on you for your unpopular opinion, especially since that's based solely on your personal preferences and not objective facts.

As for the downvotes, they are just shorthand for "I disagree with you but don't feel like putting the time and effort into rebutting your argument."

And the obverse (WRT upvotes) is also the case.

tl;dr: I think you're wrong and disagree wholeheartedly. That said, I'm glad you chose to express yourself and hope you continue to do so in the future.

>It's not perfectly valid if the purpose is to have a discussion that's meaningful to other people who don't have your exact set of preferences and pecadilloes. Saying you don't like a logo isn't a useful piece of information because for 99% of people that's not going to be a reason to use or not use a piece of software. Either you don't realize that or you're being willfully combative for its own sake.

While I disagree strongly with GP, your argument seems to completely miss their point. GP expressed her opinion as to the utility/viability of Linux for their use case.

We both disagree with GP's arguments, but even we almost certainly don't share the same "set of preferences and pecadilloes."

Mostly, I think it's pretty closed-minded to denigrate someone who expresses an opinion (unrelated to facts presented in an objective reality).

Give the GP a break. If their "preferences and pecadilloes" don't match yours, why is that any skin off your nose? As such, why do you feel it necessary to belittle the opinion of some rando on the 'net?

I'll say it again just to make sure you understand that it's your tone and attitude that disturbs me and not the content of your argument: widespread use of package managers have completely changed Linux for the better IMHO. What's more, I find the arguments provided by GP to be both weak and unpersuasive.

> If their "preferences and pecadilloes" don't match yours, why is that any skin off your nose?

You're right, that specifically is not skin off my nose or anyone else's. By the same token that you're not disagreeing with the content of my argument, I'm not disagreeing with GP's[0] opinion per se, but just pointing out that the hostility they're getting is a self-fulfilling prophecy brought about by the way they're expressing it. I'm not belittling their opinion, I'm belittling the fact that they are coming to this discussion with a position of 'Linux is bad because I don't like it for Reasons™ and if you disagree with that you're just another hater I don't have to explain myself to'. It's lame and unproductive and combative and not a quality contribution.

[0] Sidenote: I've never seen the term "GP" before - clearly you're referencing u/AnIdiotOnTheNet in some fashion similar to "OP" but would be curious to know what exactly that means.

GP: Grand Parent, as in the parent of this post's parent.

> I'm belittling the fact that they are coming to this discussion with a position of 'Linux is bad because I don't like it for Reasons™ and if you disagree with that you're just another hater I don't have to explain myself to'.

I didn't come in to this thread to argue about things I don't like about Linux or convince anyone that my unpopular opinions are right [0]. I offhandedly mentioned I didn't like Linux, and then people came out of the woodwork to ask me why. As I've mentioned I've been through this many, many times and the result is always the same: they ask me why, then they engage in performative argumentation with my reasoning. They don't care why I don't use Linux and aren't interested in changing my mind, it's all a performance to sway others and I'm pretty damned sick of it.

[0] Which is not to say I haven't done this in other threads where it is more on topic.

>I'm belittling the fact that they are coming to this discussion with a position of 'Linux is bad because I don't like it for Reasons™ and if you disagree with that you're just another hater I don't have to explain myself to'.

Except they did explain[0] themselves. Granted their arguments were unpersuasive (at least to me), but claiming that they're not at least attempting to justify their assertions is flat wrong.

>[0] Sidenote: I've never seen the term "GP" before - clearly you're referencing u/AnIdiotOnTheNet in some fashion similar to "OP" but would be curious to know what exactly that means.

"AnIdiotOnTheNet" was spot on in their reply about this[1] to you. I guess using "grand" for previous up-levels of comments isn't as pervasive as I thought. Apologies for any confusion.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28407598

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28410014

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