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> However, that being said, you make it sound as if those banks are lending/giving that money to rich Saudi princes who squander it. They are not. They are lending it to entrepreneurs that have built a business to X point that want to expand.

Banks create 80% of the money and declare themselves owner of it, which they then loan out. There is nothing wrong with loaning money. But there is something very wrong with creating new money and then loaning it out, which is what banks do. They are money trolls... hijacking 80% of the money and charging a toll for using it.

> I apologize if this reply comes across as very terse and perhaps facetious, but I am SICK and TIRED of people bashing the current fiat system when there is no other viable alternative in sight.

Bitcoin is a viable alternative. (I'm aware of all the limitations of bitcoin, like the maximum rate of transactions. But the fundamentals are sound. The problems that exist can and will be fixed in time. Bitcoin will scale to be a global currency.)

> The fiat system is one where the global economic systems evolved into it - not because bankers wanted to get rich, but because policymakers realized that by being able to print more currency on-demand, it would soften economic pullbacks.

Nope. It very much is because bankers wanted to get rich. The Federal Reserve was designed by bankers. Other central banks are designed by bankers. Governments go along with it because they get to benefit from the inflation just like the bankers.

> At the end of the Fiscal year, if the Fed has profited from it's monetary activities during the year, it writes a fat ass check to Uncle Sam. Sometimes in the $50B range.

The Fed does not produce wealth. Any profits they give to the government, thus saving taxpayers a little money, are more than offset by the loss in purchasing power the taxpayers suffer through inflation.

At this point now, based on your replies, I can only assume you are trolling so I will ignore the first 2 responses and reply the to third and fourth.

>Nope. It very much is because bankers wanted to get rich. The Federal Reserve was designed by bankers. Other central banks are designed by bankers. Governments go along with it because they get to benefit from the inflation just like the bankers.

Are you a techie? Do you understand the web? Who would you want writing legislation to govern the web? Lawyers who are clueless about the web and think that the internet is a series of tubes, or people that are VERY web savvy - like Tim Berners-Lee, et. al? The same thing applies to finance, banking and everything else. Makes no sense to have people writing legislation or creating systems that don't understand what they are doing.

>The Fed does not produce wealth. Any profits they give to the government, thus saving taxpayers a little money, are more than offset by the loss in purchasing power the taxpayers suffer through inflation.

If that's the case, why has inflation been so low in the US in the last two years, when the Fed undertook the largest expansion of it's balance sheet in modern history? i.e. it has printed more money recently, than at any other time in it's mandate - but inflation AND inflation expectations are still low.

>If that's the case, why has inflation been so low in the US in the last two years, when the Fed undertook the largest expansion of it's balance sheet in modern history? i.e. it has printed more money recently, than at any other time in it's mandate - but inflation AND inflation expectations are still low.

That is because all that inflation has been exported to other countries. There are economies who have bet their growth on exports and depend on a strong dollar.

It's going to be just hilarious when China realises it can't actually do anything with all the shiny pieces of green paper we've posted them in exchange for most of their industrial output for a couple of decades, not to mention the whole Middle East.

There is some truth to this...but that doesn't explain exorbitantly low inflation domestically.

High inflation is exported with loose monetary policies regardless of domestic inflation.

I'm not a troll. Read my blog, my past posts here, posts on reddit, posts on the Bitcoin Forum, and my Tweets. I mean what I say.

> Are you a techie? Do you understand the web? Who would you want writing legislation to govern the web? Lawyers who are clueless about the web and think that the internet is a series of tubes, or people that are VERY web savvy - like Tim Berners-Lee, et. al? The same thing applies to finance, banking and everything else. Makes no sense to have people writing legislation or creating systems that don't understand what they are doing.

The tech equivalent of the Fed would be if the techies designed an internet where 1) all information goes through some central servers that they control, 2) they sell that information and profit, 3) everyone is legally required to use their internet and not a competing internet for sending information over long distances. This would be a corrupt, Fed-like version of the internet where some particular group of people have all the power and use it for their own benefit. This analogy isn't perfect, but it captures the basic point, that the Fed was designed in a corrupt way. It doesn't matter that the corrupt people were experts or not. If anything, being experts and using expert-jargon just allowed them to mislead everyone about the true purpose of their design - socialism for the rich.

For more of this type of information on the Fed, read "End the Fed" by Ron Paul and "The Case Against the Fed" by Murray Rothbard.

> If that's the case, why has inflation been so low in the US in the last two years, when the Fed undertook the largest expansion of it's balance sheet in modern history? i.e. it has printed more money recently, than at any other time in it's mandate - but inflation AND inflation expectations are still low.

The Fed publishes misleading inflation numbers. Anyone who spends a lot of their income on things like food and energy recognizes that prices are rising pretty quickly. For me one price that stands out is that a cup of coffee used to cost less than $2 a few years ago, but now costs something like $2.30. It stands out because paying $2 and receiving a nickle as change is a lot more convenient than paying $3 and receiving $0.70 as change.

However, I agree that inflation is not as high as I would expect given just how much money the Fed has printed. I'm not exactly sure where the new money has gone, but it is probably just sitting around in some bank accounts somewhere, not circulating in the economy, and that's why we haven't felt it more than we have. I suppose it is probably being used by banks to patch up their balance sheets after the crisis and that's why it is just sitting there. My bet would be that in the coming years, that money will get used, and that's when we will really start to feel the inflation. When coffee reaches $5 per cup, we will know QE1 and QE2, etc., have trickled down.

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