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WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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“We had a chance in the beginning of this pandemic,” Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on Covid-19, said Tuesday. “This pandemic did not need to be this bad.”

Like in February 2020 when the WHO was downplaying the risk on a daily basis? Do they think we don't remember? They are absolutely culpable. I distinctly remember Tedros preaching that "racism" (questions about China) was more dangerous than the virus. Look up the press conferences if you don't believe me.

Are you implying that the WHO's statements in the first few months of 2020 removes the credibility of the claim that the pandemic did not to be this bad? I'm with you that it should have been sooner than March 11, 2020 to declare COVID-19 as a pandemic, but the response of almost every country in the world in following year was lackluster at best to prevent widespread mutation opportunities.

I disagree with their premise.

Humanity has NEVER stopped the propagation of a disease which is airborne, mutates rapidly, and is well-adjusted to human physiology.

SARS wasn't well adapted and not particularly airborne which is why it was reined in. MERS was better adapted and cases STILL pop up NINE YEARS LATER. We mostly stopped mumps, but it didn't mutate rapidly, so it was stopped dead by the vaccine (though there's still 100-200 cases per year in the US alone).

COVID is super-well adapted to infect humans, has changed to mutate around the vaccines, and is very airborne. This alone meant we probably weren't stopping it.

Adding to the problem, they wouldn't admit any airborne transmission until it had been transmitting for MONTHS. This fact in particular is why there was zero chance they were stopping this once it started.

I think you are both saying the same thing, which is the WHO bares large portion of blame for letting the virus develop into perpetual pandemic, and so do most of the our governments

… and, due to the nature of this type of virus, no human efforts to control it would have been fully effective. We can throw blame around and, in hind sight, we can see how many agencies and people could have acted differently and it might have had some affect but ultimately this pandemic was already underway and anything short of 100% lockdown enforced by armed guards would not stop it.

that was pretty much the idea behind original lockdown but no rapid testing or red/green zoning got implemented.

Once the virus got out of Wuhan it was probably impossible to contain it. By the time the first news hit, it had already spread around the world. First world countries may have been able to copy China's lockdown but the rest of the world would have never been able to contain it and it would have kept seeping in through frozen food chains. This was a practical inevitability and blaming governments or the WHO is just an attempted to rationalize an irrational natural event. That's why I think natural origin is the most likely explanation. There's too much temptation to assign blame to evil gain-of-function researchers or hypocritical public health funding.

by the time the news hit, all international air-travels could have been shutdown(not just from China), all possible super spreader events could have been shutdown, rapid testing could have been approved, smarter zoning could have been implemented, early mask mandates would have also helped. All would have been possible with smarted government(s) and honest functional WHO. Also, I completely disagree about natural origin of virus since complete lack of evidence, no animal in the wild had been identified as carrier. I do not care whether gain-of-function researchers are evil or benign, but at this time all evidence point to them being guilty

By February 2020 the virus had already spread worldwide and it was simply too late to prevent widespread mutation opportunities. The developing countries where many of the mutations appeared usually lacked the capacity for a really effective pandemic response even if they had wanted to do more. You can't worry too much about mutations when you're struggling just to keep people fed.

You would come to the exact same result if the response had been even more rigid (depends on locality I guess). You could argue that any lockdown just delayed the inevitable. And some already said that this is the only goal until a vaccine is found.

Now since we have some and many people had the ability to get vaccinated, it is almost sensible to drop all rules again.

No that quote is 100% wrong scientifically and logistically.

But we humans, even today, often compare ourselves to Gods with infinite power even though that is no where close to possible.

What, you can't predict what 7 billion people will do? Amateur! If only people listened to me, the know-it-all, then everything would have gone great! And the previous 12 times I have been wrong were just me experimenting to get this right or just enemy's propaganda, whichever I can prove easier, this time it will work, trust me!

Fake news haven't been created just because people love to lie, it has been created because people love to listen to conforting lies. Plato's cave in a nutshell.

Well duh.

This is what all Coronavirus species do and have done for millennia. The idea that COVID could be "conquered" and eliminated is about as stupid as thinking Prohibition of alcohol cold ever work, the War on Drugs could ever work, or the War on Terror could ever work. At best hubris and Dunning-Kruger; at worst pro-totalitarian scare tactics.

I guess all of our wars against natural phenomena don’t work out (including human nature). Have we ever won one?

Hasn't this been the obvious answer for almost two years now?

The disease transmits to a huge pool of animals where it can mutate and transmit back. That alone is a problem too big for people to solve.

The disease transmits to and reproduces in a huge pool of humans (vaccinated and unvaccinated) where it can mutate and evolve. That too is a problem which needs to be solved. Humans created this problem and humans can solve it, if certain Govt agencies get out of the way.

You would think so, but I have yet to see any evidence that public policy has shifted to deal with this reality. Notably absent is any messaging around things people can do to lower their incidence of severe symptoms, such as getting vitamin D levels checked, and maintaining a healthy weight.

None of those things sell vaccines or justify totalitarian state control.

I heard smoking helps too.

now is the time to begin the segregation of society between those who only trust the government ordained science and those who don’t trust their new overlords, we will slowly expand the places that require vaccine passports until over a long enough timeline all these pesky doubters and individualists are finally excluded from our systems, only those who faithfully trust our politically chosen experts and submit to human bio-engineering will be allowed to participate in the future of mankind

Pretty sure I read about this in Brave New World, the naturalist free humans were known as feral savages…

Was going to happen eventually anyways, especially after brain augmentation becomes becomes effective. Which sort of already exists, since there aren’t too many jobs left where you’re hireable without a cellphone.

Replace Jews with Unvaxinated: "On November 9-10, 1938, Nazi legislation barred Jews from all public schools and universities, as well as from cinemas, theaters, and sports facilities. In many cities, Jews were forbidden to enter designated “Aryan” zones. The government required Jews to identify themselves in ways that would permanently separate them from the rest of the population." https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemiti...

Could Jews attain Aryan status by taking shots?

Influenza virus has a structure that makes mutations easy with mixing and matching common in hosts. Coronavirus has built in error checking and functions by generating a large protein that is split up to assemble new virus. This means that the rate and scale of mutation will always be less than influenza, though the assertion that it will stay and be endemic is almost certainly true.

The data seem to indicate this is not the case.

The influenza virus mutates faster than SARS-CoV-2 on a per infection basis. But over the past two years we've had far more people infected with SARS-CoV-2 so the total number of mutations worldwide has been high. Over time we expect the rate of new mutations to decrease as more people gain some level of immunity and the virus approaches it's evolutionary maximum potential. We already see that the Delta variant is fairly stable and is successfully out competing all other variants in the wild.

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