Hacker News Reader

Comment by jonathanlydall | Hacker News Reader

As someone who uses Windows as their main driver, I will personally find it a useful way to test/debug our Electron based app on Linux. Right now I’m using a full VM.

When you consider that Edge is available for Linux, MS could very well be using WSLg to develop it.

So it seems to me that this just makes it easier to anything you need to do on Linux, “on” Windows.

Of course making it easier for people on Windows to make software for Linux seems like a way to help Linux, which is a bit confusing to see MS do.

View on HN

> Right now I’m using a full VM.

WSL2 is also a full VM

Is that so? Isn't it more like a bridge between Linux and Windows kernels, so that stuff is ultimately delegated to Windows?

WSL 1 was. WSL2 is a VM.

But a special VM.

Still a VM :)

A bridge between kernels is how most VMs work these days. The kernel inside the VM has special drivers for extra-simple 'hardware' that the host OS provides.

As opposed to WSL1 where there's a wine-esque module in the windows kernel, and there is no linux kernel at all.

WSL1 was done that way (though with a compatibility shim not a real linux kernel), but it had a number of shortcomings, primarily that I noticed in file io performance, but also in compatibility as they had to map all the syscalls themselves.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/compare-version...

It is, just with some fancy integrations that makes it more comfortable - for example memory reclamation. But it's all a fancy VM in the end.

A super fast one. After one click, within 2-3 seconds I can have an Ubuntu terminal open with wsl. To spin up a vm from let’s say VMware, I need at least 10times that.

I don't think that's magic in the hypervisor, so I doubt it affects overall performance of the VM very much. But WSL images have a special boot process instead of a full init system like systemd, which is probably where the fast startup comes from. Maybe it also has to do with how they configure storage for the VM. On real hardware with a decent SSD, Ubuntu usually gets you a graphical login in less than 10 seconds.

Anyway it's a cool feature, and I'd love to know more about how it works.

And the fact that they probably use a slimmed down kernel with just the right amount of modules, I guess.

In any case, booting Linux (the kernel) is always incredibly fast, and booting to a tty, without all the systemd units that are generally loaded, is incredibly fast per se.

As far as I know, both the NT kernel and the WSL2 Linux kernel use the same hypervisor below them.

Also looks good to debugging puppeteer with head on docker container.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com