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If people are going back to Whatsapp after that, then let them. Signal has been working really well for me for years now. I don't like it from a privacy standpoint, I'd much rather see wide adoption of Briar or Matrix. But to say Signal isn't working well for a free app is crazy.

Who's paying for all their infrastructure anyways? What's the plan Moxie?

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Time for people to look into Session (https://getsession.org). You get automatic native onion routing via decentralised infrastructure - currently 1800~ community-run servers (service nodes).

Still fraction of the size of the Tor network. Let's take another look in 5..10 years.

The current number of service nodes is more than enough to power Session, without the need to rely on a central server for message delivery.

The size of the network will grow with time and using it obviously contributes to its growth.

Session is based on a crypto scam though, that makes me hesitant to support it. And I otherwise have supported tor onion routing for many years so I'm definitely an idealist.

Honestly I might be moving off to I2P instead.

What makes you think it's a scam? Do you mean crypto in general or the oxen project itself?

Anything that asks for thousands of dollars to the early adopters, for nothing in return, is a scam imho.

Now the founders could of course have idealistic goals in mind but we might never know that. Realistically there is no market giving that currency a value and they're asking for literally thousands of dollars just to support the onion routed network.

> then let them.

That means that _you_ are going back to WhatsApp, then, since when you want to talk to them - that's what you'll use too.

I only ever installed WhatsApp to talk to dates. The sad part about being privacy conscious and using the "right apps" is that you still want to communicate with people outside of your bubble.

The best thing is definitely having two devices, one you can trust and one you can abuse.

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