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If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser.

I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too.

LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my passwords?"

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It's a good idea to move to a cross-platform password manager, so that your passwords don't result in OS vendor lock-in.

I still run macOS on desktop but use a patched bitwarden_rs to store my passwords. I can also use it from Android and Linux.

Yeah horses for courses I guess. I always try to use the cross-platform solution whenever I can but not everyone seems to care about that and are seemingly fine about being locked in.

I mean, it's not really "locked-in". You can export your passwords from Keychain easily enough (as CSV, if you'd like).

I don't know if this is still true, but when I last used the native solution for saving cards and it always asked for the three digit code in the back of the card, which made it useless for convenience. I still had to look for my wallet.

1password and LastPass are smarter in that regard.

The third party solutions are much better regarding edge cases.

At least on Monterey, the macOS passwords system preference has import and export password set options built-in. The format is an unencrypted CSV file.

That's nice; the last time I had to export I had to write mouse movement macros to get my passwords out of the keychain. (10.14 maybe?)

The FAQ mentions that this is possible / done with the latest Safari.

Yes, thank you for that.

Found it here: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html

> Orion uses native macOS Keychain integration, same as Safari.

GG, I applied to be a beta-user. Let's see!

Ditto Firefox. I'd use it a lot more. Right now, only for YouTube.

Also, I hope Orion has hooks needed for uBlock. (Preparse hook?)

For whatever reason, Safari + 1Blocker doesn't filter YouTube's ads.

I'll use fulltime which ever browser that has both keychain and blocks youtube ads.

When you open the browser website you find in the middle photo of HN on orion with uBlock as the only extension (as illustration of extensions support.

Firefox works with keychain in mac, there's specific settings you have to use. They seem to be considered enterprise features so they'r ehidden in the about:config settings.

Thanks. I am fail. After a bit of foraging and poking around, I couldn't figure this out. My best guess is there was an extension, now obsolete.

> I hope Orion has hooks needed for uBlock.

It does[1].

> For whatever reason, Safari + 1Blocker doesn't filter YouTube's ads.

It does, as part of a recent addition[2]. It’s a bespoke solution because it can’t be done with the content blocking tools Safari provides.

[1]: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ublock

[2]: https://backstage.1blocker.com/how-to-block-youtube-ads-in-s...

I moved from Safari to Firefox because if you're not using iCloud Keychain, the passwords Safari saves are not backed up properly with Time Machine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24626562

So I hope that, unlike Safari, Orion uses the Login rather than the Local Items keychain.

I am not sure your threat model, but Apple has no keys to decrypt iCloud Keychain entries.

If Apple wants to tell everyone that they have to use iCloud Keychain for their Time Machine backups to work, they can do that, but Time Machine backups shouldn't silently not work, only to be discovered when you've lost your data.

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