No college degree? More employers than ever just don't care
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It adds to discrimination and unequal treatment.
Asking if you a have a degree form an accredited university is OK.
But which one of the universities -- is like asking how much are you paying for your rent/house, and what type of neighborhood you are living in (and so asking for address has to be prohibited too)
I’ve also never heard of anyone living in a really nice house or neighborhood for free because they’re a great neighbor, but I’ve definitely heard of, and met, students from very challenging backgrounds who were granted the opportunity to go to school for free and subsequently reaped the benefits of using it for self-promotion on their resume during their job search. Maybe if potential employers were running around asking, “How much of your own money/your family’s money did you use to pay for college?”, I think you could have a point here but otherwise I’m not seeing it.
In other words employers should not looking for 'how you a acquired skills', but instead for 'what skills you have'.
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Same as when you publish scientific paper (or a Talmudic treaties, for that matter) before it gets accepted....
It should not be relevant the name of your scientific advisor, institution, or whether you grandparent a famous Rabbi (if we are going with theological texts..)
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Yes, by eliminating the names of your school from the hiring process you are also eliminating that little detail that the cost of attendance for 1 year undergraduate at , say, Vanderbilt University -- is 80,000 USD [1], and that you could afford it...
But the approach I am suggesting does more than that -- it incentivizes employers to consider skills of the hires, and not the 'image' of the schools they came from.
Which, in turn, will incentive the schools to prioritize education quality over hyper-marketing.
Certainly I am not advocating to hide personal achievements (eg participation in relevant open source projects, STEM olympiad's, or other relevant endeavors that build not just technical skills, but also a good character).
Interview 1000 people uniformly sampled from the population of software engineers and get back to me if you disagree.
I made mistakes -- but majority of them were on soft-skills sides of the problem.
The university names mattered little, and in many cases effected person's self-promotion efforts/abilities. That has some value, but not when it is 'instead of' high ethics and technical skills.
> Which, in turn, will incentive the schools to prioritize education quality over hyper-marketing.
Believe me, I’m game for anything that makes that happen but I don’t think this is going to do it. But for the sake of discussion, removing this information from a resume could make identifying candidates who have gone through precisely these kinds of schools more difficult to identify. Accreditation is sadly not a catch-all. Plenty of schools have had their accreditation suspended multiple times or have various other statistics/metrics e.g. marketing/promotional spend, available which one could use to evaluate education quality, but only if you have a name to start your search with.
Sticker price doesn't really matter, because those who cannot afford it are usually given financial aid and/or scholarships. At some places, the percentage of people receiving financial aid is over 50%.
The rhetoric that college is worthless and is solely an indication of "privilege" is harmful, especially to those who are lower income. College is still one of the best ways to acquire skills and an education, and is still one of, if not the biggest, ways for people to climb themselves and their families out of poverty.
Most students work their asses off to get into a good college, even the wealthy ones, and I think you underestimate their efforts and how hard it is to buy your way into a top school.
Also, there is definitely a significant difference, on average, between the type of student that MIT/UChicago/Stanford/etc might admit, compared to the students you might find at a top 100 college. I don't think that hiring should ever come down to where someone went to college like this (I'm sure that very rarely happens), but it does make sense most times for stretched recruiters to take into account where someone was trained because it does make a difference.
Just to add dimension here, I think this is a pretty hard claim to prove. I think it would be safer to say that these types of situations are most likely the exception and not the rule. Even if that's not true, we should address that rather than cutting off our nose to spite our face. Otherwise, I think you make a lot of great, succinct points and I agree with everything you said here.
Being granted the opportunity to go to school for free used to be called a scholarship, I think.