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I think your analysis is close to home, but with one huge caveat: it really only applies solidly to the white working class, which is these days only about half the working class (though it depends on how you define "working class"). The black and hispanic working classes, which are a large portion of the country, are strongly organized within the Democratic Party, though the hispanic working class is a bit more split.

There are plenty of disconnects between them and the white middle-class wing of the party as well, especially around issues like gay marriage and separation of church/state, which tend to be seen as "rich white liberal" issues. But I think it's a bit more complicated than simple conservatism, and it's often more than balanced by significant left-leaning sentiment on economic issues. There is, for example, huge support for social safety nets, welfare systems, socialized healthcare, etc., among the non-white working class. If you put single-payer healthcare to a referendum in black working-class neighborhoods in Atlanta or Brooklyn, it'd pass by lopsided majorities. So I think the left wing of the Democratic party is fairly well in tune with that portion of their concerns, but most of the party is arguably out of touch by not being left enough on economics, promoting more of a middle-class, centrist liberalism that's roughly ok with the economic status quo and not very interested in major social-justice initiatives.

There's also no real cultural understanding between the GOP and this segment of the working class: a good showing for a Republican is 10% of the black vote, almost all of it coming from the wealthier portion (i.e., they only connect on class issues). But I agree that the Democratic connection is not great, either, especially if you take the national party; they're often seen as economic-centrist social liberals, less bad than the GOP but not really willing to fight for the working class on economics (or at least not succeeding at doing so).

> They're just, apparently, completely unable to actually get those initiatives through Congress.

There is a Progressive Caucus in Congress but they just don't have the numbers to pass anything, especially with a refusal for any sort of compromise from the Right. And there are simply too many Blue Dogs that will tow the line in the middle.

If someone were a "liberal", it would be best to get progressive candidates in Congress, not just any Democrats.

Ok, so the urban leftist elite don't get "Joe Six Pack". Then why don't the working people go left on their own?

Here's the thing: they did. They just don't know it. The rural populace gobble all sorts of government programs, from farm subsidies to electric power generation. Most of the solid Republican states receive more federal spending than they pay.

And the GOP knows it, so it keeps Farm Subsidies off the table while it takes pot-shots at NPR.

> However, working people don't see themselves as fuckups (because they're not), and they don't have a lot of patience with weirdos. So they aren't going to feel comfortable with the gay marriage/ social worker part of the left (the old union guys were socially very conservative for the most part).

I'm not sure if this was always the case though. In the 60s and 70s it seemed that the weirdos and labor guys were able to work together because they had the same goals. And we have seen this recently with the labor protests in Wisconsin: they were started by university TA's but picked up by sanitation workers, cops, firefighters and the like.

I don't think it's fair for the working class folks to just write off everyone else just because they're "weirdos." Social issues can be just as important economic ones. Plus I think it's extremely shortsighted that someone will not be able to work with me on shared goals just because I don't go to church or eat ribs. I know these are just examples you brought up, but it's dangerous for people to never reach beyond "one of us."

The mistake of the Democratic Party was to abandon the unions and to embrace corporations as a source of funding. This continues to this day as Obama never supported the Wisconsin workers.

Yes, this. I've asked the same question as the post you were replying to, but your response sheds new light on the issue.

Now that I think of it, it also matches my experiences living in lower income neighbourhoods.

I think you would get a big kick out of the work of Eric Hoffer.

Forgive my reply to myself, but I have been thinking about this all day. Here are some random thoughts, partly for my own edification, but partly because the conversation seems to be lingering:

I actually think the "core" of the democratic part / left is the marginalized on one hand, and those that minister to them on the other. The white working class aren't really marginalized like they were in the depression and earlier, so don't fit in anymore -- but the super poor are marginalized, so they fit. Non-whites are interesting -- 40 years ago, blacks and latinos were marginalized as weirdos, except they were poor too (double whammy -- like being gay AND broke all the time). Now that we are actually becoming a less racist and homophobic society (slowly and imperfectly, but definitely) these folks lose their marginalization and drift away from the core since social conservativism and personal character ideologies become more appropriate, unless they go to college and become social workers and join the ministering class rather than the ministered-to class. The Republicans see this with latinos and keep trying to bring them in; they haven't succeeded yet, but they will, just like they did with Italians and Catholics.

The other, maybe dominant group now, in the democratic party are those folks who would have been "Rockefeller Republicans" back before Reagan and Goldwater redefined the party. My family is in this camp, and so are, I think, all the smart capitalists who run/ own businesses that require lots of infrastructure and educated employees -- the Hewletts and the Packards, Bill Gates, Hollywood, Google, the rest of the educated "blue" USA. These guys rightly understand that simplistic market bullshit and simplistic christian bullshit are not appropriate to a complex industrial economy. Remember, Carnegie ordered the slaughter of unionizing steelworkers, but he also understood his world was completely fucked without universities and libraries to make his engineers and managers. He could have been a Clinton democrat today.

A couple of replies to people:

Yeah, Eric Hoffer is great -- I only read the true believer, but it made a huge impression on me; I am sure I repeat him without knowing it.

To the guy who asks why the Joe Sixpack world doesn't evolve its own leaders (forgive me if I paraphrase too brutally): because they lack the training or they wouldn't be joe sixpacks in the first place... It is mostly the managerial class (myself) or the owning class (my friends at prep-school) who have the know-how to organize people into social systems like political parties, churches, businesses, and the like. The working class have great hand-eye coordination, but pretty crappy social and language skills (sorry for the gross generalization, but I think you understand what I am trying to say); those that do have these skills tend to drift upward into the managerial class. When there is no room for these smart organizers to promote, they get involved in union politics or communist cells (or avoid the question altogether by getting involved in the arts/ drugs/ weird religious things / whatever.)

So here is my parting thought: There is a vacuum organizing the working class today, and if someone put their finger on the cultural stuff like the Republicans do, but also fought for working people's actual interests, it could be a WILD ride. Just saying.

So at what point are the "working poor" not stupid by voting for taxes against the rich instead of tax cuts for the "working poor".

All the stuff you said is media nonsense and frankly suggesting that the republicans in any way represent the working poor is, well, nonsense. What you seem to be wanting is some sort of friend who can tell you that gays or gay marriage is bad, church is good, though I bet you or the working poor never go, and that character matters, but that this friend of yours takes a lot of your money you desperately need in order to take less from filthy rich people that actually do not need it at all does not seem to matter to you at all or indeed this characteristic of this friend of yours does not seem to bother you at all.

Ohh well, each to their own.

I'm not sure what you're on about, because there's no party representing the left either. The US Democrats are a fair way to the right of the conservative party here in Australia, yet in my discussions with americans there are a great many people who would be considered left-wing here in Aus. There appears to be no choice for the left in the US, so how "the left better understanding the working class" would change things, I'm not sure.