The World’s Most Efficient Languages (2016)
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For instance, "telo nasa" is alcohol, but it literally means "crazy water." "pona" means good, simple and beautiful, while "ike" means bad, evil, complex and ugly. There are no numbers besides 1 and 2, and no ways to embed clauses.
Translating into Toki Pona is like describing the world to a 5-year old feral child. I recommend it.
Of course, it's still latin based, so it would still heavily favor people from Europe and the Americas.
This one is still interesting in seeing how simple language can be, although you do notice how the grammatical consistency ends up sounding artificial, sterile, and sometimes awkward. Natural language probably evolved all of its irregularities to please our ears and tongues.
That Toki Pona WP page mentions Esperanto takes 30-40 hours to reach beginner proficiency, while apparently Toki Pona takes ~30 hours to master. Maybe I should try them both, because 30 hours is nothing. I’ve spent hundreds of hours in German, thousands in Spanish, and can’t say much. 30 hours in most real languages doesn’t get you that much further than being able to say hello and where’s the bathroom comfortably.
For Toki Pona, it's a really interesting language. I should dedicate some time to learn it... A minimal language that can endlessly be extended as long as your speaking partner understand your terms. That's an intriguing prospect.
[0] https://www.dailydot.com/debug/interlingua-tiktok/ [1] https://www.tiktok.com/discover/interlingua?lang=es
However, there is still an interesting idea about teaching it to school children as a first second language, because it's so well structured and easy to pick up that kids can start actually using it very quickly. The idea is that it primes the brain to be ready for more than one language, which is the steepest part of the multilingual learning curve. There's an exponential decay to the challenge of learning the n+1 language.
But what you're telling me about Toki Pona is that it might actually be better suited for that. If a classroom full of kids could be conversant in a second language after just a few weeks or months of instruction, that would achieve this goal much more efficiently.
Although my great-grandmother spoke Belarusian as her first language, this transmission was broken. My grandmother already spoke Russian to my mother, and we spoke Russian in my family. I learnt Belarusian in school and then started using it to express my Belarusian identity, to speak with a community of like-minded people.
I've learnt Esperanto when I emigrated. I wanted to find friends in my new country, my new city had an Esperanto community, and this was the reason I've learnt Esperanto. This worked for me :D
Like with Belarusian in Belarus, in Esperanto you don't talk everywhere. You have special times and places; outside them, you speak other languages.
Like with Belarusian, you have rather limited number of books available. So, if in Russian or English I mostly read fantasy, in Belarusian and Esperanto I read a much wider variety of genres, because there's just not enough books to commit to one or two genres.
So, while Esperanto didn't become an international competitor to English, it became a nice small homely language for speaking to friends. Not exactly what the Zamenhof envisioned, but still nice.
Here is a collection of some music in Esperanto: https://dvd.ikso.net/pagxo/en/muziko.html
While efficient communication of ideas is important, what seems just as if not more important to me is how the language allows a brain think. We think in our language, and there are tradeoffs between languages on the patterns of thought that are easy and that which are difficult.
I'd rather learn a language that gives me a new model for thinking about the world more creatively, more collectively, or just in an entirely alien way that few people think like.
And going a step further, it would be fascinating to experiment with constructing languages with the intention of building a kind of novel "brain firmware" that would help people think in ways no human ever has. I suppose programming languages are like that to some extent.
This probably has a lot to do with the society of speakers that you use your language with. For example, you use a very different register with very different thought patterns with your gangmates in your bad teenage years than with the client at your luxury sales job. There are concepts that will be simply be taboo to express to either speaker that would be natural conversation in the other.
I really disagree that there are expressions that are impossible to express in language, barring that limitation. Either a circumlocution will give an approximation (including where the original is ambiguous), or an expression can be coined to be introduced to that language, the society of speakers willing.
The World's Most Efficient Languages (2016) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18577061 - Dec 2018 (98 comments)