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This is wrapped up in a lot of bureaucratic language. Essentially, impoverished people are being convinced to sell a kidney in illegal organ sales to foreign recipients. Horrific, but also different than what I thought of when I read "Human Trafficking" and assumed it was murder/wake up in a bathtub of ice.

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The term "Human Trafficking" has a fairly broad scope and ranges from coercion to outright slavery. I tried to find a breakdown of the various types of trafficking, but couldn't find details. I've recently become somewhat suspicious of the term as the more I poke at it, the less clear it becomes.

It seems I'm not the only one: https://newrepublic.com/article/123302/human-trafficking-has...

I'm certainly not trying to be a pendant here but I feel that people having their organs forefully removed and then sold on a black market or being bought and sold as sex slaves is a much larger concern than prostitution. Just as an example.

Yes, I always read it as a new speak word for "slavery", so it was weird to see it applied to selling a kidney for 10k dollars, which was explicitly called out in the report as happening frequently in Egypt. Things get slippery here. Is selling blood plasma human trafficking? Is paid surrogacy human trafficking? Is work human trafficking?

My understanding is that the definitions are fuzzy and every country has their own methods for measurement and reporting back to Interpol. The prostitution case was not made up. Some countries count all prostitution cases (including voluntary).

>> ... I read "Human Trafficking" and assumed it was murder/wake up in a bathtub of ice.

> The techniques used for the recruitment and control of the victims are the same as those used for other types of human trafficking, such as promises of job opportunities abroad, as well as the use of threats and violence.

> Most often, victim-donors receive a smaller amount of the money than had been agreed with the recruiter or broker, and in some cases they may not get any of the promised payment. Many victim-donors have suffered post-operative complications and health issues.

Sounds pretty bad...

> "Human Trafficking" and assumed it was murder/wake up in a bathtub of ice

I'm sure this is closer to the truth than you think.

If the organs are shipped out, there's no need to butter up victims. They'll just butcher and ship out their organs.

A little bit of googling on kidnapping, ritual killings, baby factories, human parts trading in West Africa will add some credence this theory.

I saw a documentary about this subject some places its so bad they have signs Warming the local populace of the implications, i cannot remember the doc i believe it was a vice Pieces.

Well, once you have what you need I doubt they're doing any post-op care. So if the victim dies an hour later or a few months later it's still murder.

> Victims of human trafficking for sexual and labour purposes also find themselves at additional risk.

No, its there...

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